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greg b

04-04-2008 06:55:40




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lets all quit whining about the oil companys getting rich and whine about making my truck get 26 mpg instead of 13 mpg lol lets here some good feed back please !




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Mike in Ohio

04-04-2008 19:48:54




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 Re: big oil in reply to greg b, 04-04-2008 06:55:40  
The reason some older cars get better mieage than new ones is a combination of pollution controls and weight(air bags, side impact bracing, etc.). I have a '69 ford 3/4 ton pickup with a 460 and an automatic no overdrive, gets 9 mpg. Father in law has a 2008 3/4 ton ford with a v10 and automatic overdrive.(V10 is not as big as my v8) he gets 9 mpg with overdrive. It weighs about 1500-2000 lbs. more than mine, and he drives it like he stole it where I don't hotrod mine that much. Those are the main reasons the gas mileage isn't as good on the newer ones. Mike

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john d

04-04-2008 11:41:24




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 Re: big oil in reply to greg b, 04-04-2008 06:55:40  
It won't move your mileage from 13 to 26, but you can probably gain a couple of mpg by installing a vacuum gauge and watching it when you accelerate. It'll also let you see the speed at which your truck cruises most efficiently.



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TomTex

04-04-2008 10:41:25




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 Re: big oil in reply to greg b, 04-04-2008 06:55:40  
You see all the women around here driving 4X4 F250 or 350 4-door pickups to the shopping centers to buy shoes and groceries. Take up 2 parking spaces and on the highway they will run over your axx in a heart beat. Maybe when it gets around $8 per gallon they will wake up. Americans will not buy cars that will not throw you back against the seat and squeel the tires. First statitic they read is acceleration rates. Look at a care like a Honda Accord. Started out as a small, moderately powered car for economy. Look at it now, about twice the HP, twice the acceleration, much larger. People want to grip and whine, but will not sacrifice. Look at the millions of folks paying over $10 a gallon for fancy brand name drinking water, just to be in style or trendy. The price has just begun to climb and todays $4 will look like a real bargin in a few years. Tom

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tlak

04-04-2008 13:04:44




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 Re: big oil in reply to TomTex, 04-04-2008 10:41:25  
Maybe the man of the house is driving a prius to his factory job, 100 miles away, so his wife only drives the gas gussler 5-10 miles during the day. May need a big truck for boat, farmin, haulin, campin,...



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RobMD

04-04-2008 09:51:28




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 Re: big oil in reply to greg b, 04-04-2008 06:55:40  
Put in a cummins diesel, and some sort of three speed rear end so you can cruise at 85 while only going 1300 rpm's.

You can also rip the doors off, rip the bed off, get rid of the bumpers, and install aluminum wheels.

You might get 26 then.



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jdemaris

04-04-2008 09:26:47




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 Re: big oil in reply to greg b, 04-04-2008 06:55:40  
There are many people putting in Cummins 4BTA engines (3.9 liter turbo) into full-size trucks and getting 25-30 MPG with them. Price keeps going up on good used engines since there are so many people lookking to swap into their big trucks.

Of course, the other option is - just drive a car instead.

In regard to fuel mileage not being as good in newer cars - much is do to with performance packages. Cars that don't go fast don't sell. So, automakers up the power and mileage drops. There are still many small cars for sale new with great mileage. For my myself and wife, we'll take the older cars anytime. Parts are cheap, easy to work on, etc. We have two 91 Volkswagen diesels that get 45-50 MPG, two 81 diesel Chevy Chevettes that get 42-46 MPG. My 91 Subaru 4WD wagon with a gas 1.8 gets 29 MPG on the highway.

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JML755

04-04-2008 09:22:25




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 Re: big oil in reply to greg b, 04-04-2008 06:55:40  
jayinNY,

Amen to that! We have a school in our sub which services mainly the 1000+ homes in our subdivision. The school district buses only kids who live more than a mile from a school, so there is no busing to this elementary school. I see Moms clogging the streets to drop off/pick up their kids. We live 1/2 mile from the school and the rule was: walk or ride your bike for our kids. One day a neighbor saw my daughter walking home in the rain with an umbrella and stopped to offer her a ride. My daughter refused and said that her Dad said she had to walk. LOL. Boy, did I hear about that. You'd have thought I was the worst child abuser around.

Anyway, like some other posters, we also have cut down on our "run to the store" trips. I try to plan things for the weekend and do it all at once. With the price of energy such as it is, I bring my lunch to work, don't go out to eat nearly as often, turn down the thermostats, lights off when not needed and I see the difference in the cash drawer each month.

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F-350

04-04-2008 09:14:17




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 Re: big oil in reply to greg b, 04-04-2008 06:55:40  
Pickups should only be used for hauling or pulling loads.I see far too many people still running errands in them or driving them to work-etc.My F-350 is parked and only sees duty on the gooseneck trailer.The best its ever going to get empty is 14-15 mpg.

Sadly,its pretty obvious that fuel hasnt gotten high enough yet to make people change their ways.

Lots of us drive cars everywhere that get 25-35 mpg.Theres no way a pickup can ever compete with them.

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Kansas Cockshutt

04-04-2008 22:42:30




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 Re: big oil in reply to F-350, 04-04-2008 09:14:17  
I think you are my long lost brother I have been on the soap box about that for ages...



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John S-B

04-04-2008 09:52:33




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 Re: big oil in reply to F-350, 04-04-2008 09:14:17  
Bingo! I've only driven my Dodge 2500 diesel 3-4 times a month this winter, only when I had to haul something or during our 15-20" snow storm. The windstar van gets about the same mileage, but gas is a buck less a gallon. BTW, we were given the van, that's why I drive it instead of buying a newer more efficient car.



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Goose

04-04-2008 08:39:49




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 Re: big oil in reply to greg b, 04-04-2008 06:55:40  
Anyone who does their daily commute in a SUV, or humongous pickup, getting 12-16 mpg shouldn't complain about fuel prices. They can buy a car for $2,000 that will get twice the mileage. And several years from now, they'll still have a $2,000 car.

The most ridiculous sight I see on my daily commute is a particular person (alone) driving a full sized, four door, 4X4 pickup with a dinky box that won't hold as much as the trunk of my car. You know he can't be getting over 15 mpg max, and he's probably one who screams loudest about the price of fuel. He probably hasn't even thought about what he's losing in interest and depreciation. But he's GOTTA have that truck because "everyone else" does.

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jose bagge

04-04-2008 10:57:18




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 Re: big oil in reply to Goose, 04-04-2008 08:39:49  
I could well be that guy...
but:
1. It's only empty when i commute, the rest of the day it's full of tread 2. The company paid for it
3. they also pay for the fuel
4. You wish you could be driving it too, under the same circumstances.

And as for my manhood- whip it out, and we'll see if you measure up! My handle isn't that of a high end scarf!

Too many folks prejudging others based on what they drive- and thinking they know ANYTHING about them! What ever makes you feel better about your poor miserable self!

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dhermesc

04-04-2008 09:13:50




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 Re: big oil in reply to Goose, 04-04-2008 08:39:49  
"You know he can't be getting over 15 mpg max, and he's probably one who screams loudest about the price of fuel. He probably hasn't even thought about what he's losing in interest and depreciation. But he's GOTTA have that truck because "everyone else" does."
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He's buying his manhood from a car dealership instead of working with what he was born with. They're just compensating.

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jayinNY

04-04-2008 09:02:15




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 Re: big oil in reply to Goose, 04-04-2008 08:39:49  
What I cant stand around here, is all the parents who either sit at the end of the driveway with there car running so little Johnny dosent have to stand out in the cold waiting for the school bus, or drive there kids to school every day. Whats wrong with the bus? I have never seen so many parents drive there kids to school, as I see now.



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Nancy Howell

04-04-2008 08:20:26




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 Re: big oil in reply to greg b, 04-04-2008 06:55:40  
Over a year ago when gas prices took their initial quantum leap, I changed my lifestyle. No quick runs to the store, any store. Since the only close stores are little convenience stores, grocery shopping, errands, etc. are planned and done in one trip. I have started driving 55 on my way to work, but that won't help much since its only 10 hwy miles to work. On the hwy, driving to the farm, without a trailer, 65 max. With a trailer, 60 even though speed limit is 70. My 96 Chevy 2500 gets around 15mpg on a good day, 10 - 12 towing depending on load weight. Not much more I can do. I can't burn regular either. If I do, it clatters like there's a bunch of tin cans rattling around under the hood. I use mid-grade for regular driving and use premium when towing.

At home, furnace is set at 68 in the winter, use fireplaces and electric blanket at the farm. Summer, thermostat is set at 74-76 and use fans. When we renovated the house in Dallas, we used extra heavy insulation in the walls (r-19 if I remember correctly), replaced single-pane windows with doubles, siding with insulation underneath (cost $9000+ and probably won't live long enough to see it pay off in energy savings).

We do what we can and keep going. America is still the only place I would live and literally billions of other people would live here if they could. God Bless America!

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sd pete

04-04-2008 09:20:35




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 Re: big oil in reply to Nancy Howell, 04-04-2008 08:20:26  
I have the 97 4x4 version of the same truck with automatic 5.7 our mileage is similar. But i just use 87 octane in mine with no pinging.



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H. Dumpty

04-04-2008 08:17:44




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 Re: big oil in reply to greg b, 04-04-2008 06:55:40  
You just wait..... ..... ..

You'll be able to get that 91 Ford escort in the new 2010 version for a measily $50K



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Allan In NE

04-04-2008 08:10:01




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 Re: big oil in reply to greg b, 04-04-2008 06:55:40  
I wanna bitgth and moan about the high fuel prices. Makes me feel better. :>)

Allan



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rrlund

04-04-2008 08:42:57




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 Re: big oil in reply to Allan In NE, 04-04-2008 08:10:01  
Better here than in the coffee shop Allen. Heard that yesterday. At least here I can just read it in silence. It's easier on the eardrums and a lot less cursing. :)



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Welding man

04-04-2008 08:01:54




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 Re: big oil in reply to greg b, 04-04-2008 06:55:40  
My wife has and old worn out 91 Escort, 1.9L -5 speed with 175,000 miles on it, drives 100 miles a day to and from work, it consistently gets 38 MPG and has never had any engine work other than a water pump and a couple of timing belts. If they could build a car like this in 91, why not today? Even the high dollar hybrids, won't do this good. My brother had one like it ,traded it for a new honda civic and lost 10 MPG.I just don't think automakers want to build a good milage vehicles any more.

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Mike M

04-04-2008 08:07:48




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 Re: big oil in reply to Welding man, 04-04-2008 08:01:54  
I have often said ( even here alot )that cars from around 1988-1991 ? era or so seemed to of topped the mpg and have went down since then. I have no reasons as to why ? Does anyone know ?



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cj3b_jeep

04-04-2008 08:51:32




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 Re: big oil in reply to Mike M, 04-04-2008 08:07:48  
I'm with you on that. I just don't understand how a 20 year old car could get mileage like that but they can't seem to do it today.. My buddy had an 87 or so Tercel got 50 MPG, even that little Smart Car only gets like 43 MPG. By 20 year old standards, the Smart should get 80 MPG. The old Escort got 38, the new Focus gets 33. I wonder if it has to do with emissions?



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F-350

04-04-2008 09:28:02




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 Re: big oil in reply to cj3b_jeep, 04-04-2008 08:51:32  
A friend of mine swears that the quality of gas has gradually gone down over the years giving less mileage and power.He could be on to something?

This new low sulphur diesel has hurt the power and mileage some on my F-350.Its also added greatly to the price of it.



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dhermesc

04-04-2008 08:23:02




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 Re: big oil in reply to Mike M, 04-04-2008 08:07:48  
"I have often said ( even here alot )that cars from around 1988-1991 ? era or so seemed to of topped the mpg and have went down since then"


I'd have to agree. When we got married my wife had a little 89 Cavalier (4 cyl 5 spd) that averaged right at 40 mpg that she drove 50 miles round trip to and from work on rural highways. She drove it till the electronics gave us more trouble than it was worth. Nothing new that comes close to that in everyday day driving - including the newest skate boards like the Chevy Aveo or the other little boxes from Korea. You can get it with a hybreed - but instead of gas you're paying more for batteries and repairs that no mechanic outside a dealership will touch.

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n8terry

04-04-2008 07:43:13




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 Re: big oil in reply to greg b, 04-04-2008 06:55:40  
Just talked to a friend that got back from Germany. He did the calculations in his head to convert from uro to us dollar and metric to our measure. I think he came up with a figure of around $8.50 per gallon for gas. He said that deisel was cheaper.

He also said that he traveled the auto-bon doing about 80 mph and some cars passed him doing at least 120.

I guess my thought is, we may not realize how lucky we are to purchase gas for $3.30! The real problem will come when we pull up to the pump and it won't pump anymore fuel.

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VADAVE

04-04-2008 09:08:29




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 Re: big oil in reply to n8terry, 04-04-2008 07:43:13  
I really don't care what some other country is paying. Somebody want to tell me why it's important that we be like everyone else?

Now I'll throw in some politics--I also don't care what their government looks like or how they treat their people as long as they don't attempt to bother us.



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Mike M

04-04-2008 08:04:07




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 Re: big oil in reply to n8terry, 04-04-2008 07:43:13  
You sure got that right ! I'm just glad those 911 planes didn't hit an oil refinery !



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buickanddeere

04-04-2008 07:38:08




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 Re: big oil in reply to greg b, 04-04-2008 06:55:40  
This is one of the better threads on energy seen here in a long time.



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IH2444

04-04-2008 07:24:23




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 Re: big oil in reply to greg b, 04-04-2008 06:55:40  
Don't forget your home energy effeciency. I think most of us bern more energy in our homes than our vehicles. And lots of electricity is powered by petro.



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jack-iowa

04-04-2008 07:11:32




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 Re: big oil in reply to greg b, 04-04-2008 06:55:40  
after you hiy 60 mph coast in neutral or turn off engine.hit 55 start over.



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HENRY E NC

04-04-2008 07:43:58




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 Re: big oil in reply to jack-iowa, 04-04-2008 07:11:32  
I am not sure what vehicles have the same transmission as my 97 Lincoln Town car but I get a constant 24 MPG if I drive properly. That transmission has a free wheeling part and we live in the mountains so when I am going downhill I generally take my foot of the pedal and the engine goes to idle until I push the pedal again. Also has an instant MPG readout so I can select the proper amount of gas pedal I need to meet the desireed speed. As a further note, I get the best gas mileage between 57 and 62. Our Jeep grand Cherokee on gets about 17-18 at the same speeds but does not have free wheeling. Henry

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rrlund

04-04-2008 07:11:18




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 Re: big oil in reply to greg b, 04-04-2008 06:55:40  
Might not double it,but I've given this advice before. Bolt a piece of 2x4 under the gas pedal. It'll help.



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Jack a

04-04-2008 07:04:23




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 Re: big oil in reply to greg b, 04-04-2008 06:55:40  
Look to Europe. I think they get way better mileage if I remember.



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IH2444

04-04-2008 07:23:03




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 Re: big oil in reply to Jack a, 04-04-2008 07:04:23  
Most vehicles in Europe are smaller than they are here.



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KYfarm

04-04-2008 07:44:33




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 Re: big oil in reply to IH2444, 04-04-2008 07:23:03  
and a great deal of cars in europe are diesel

my brother has a VW passat diesel (in USA) and gets 40+ mpg. He's not in farming, I've got a superduty gas truck 11 mpg



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