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Question on maize growing IA Gary

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David in Wales

05-31-2007 09:19:41




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HI Gary;
Thanks for telling me about the fertilizing of maize.
Maize wont ripen for corn here, but the livestock farmers grow a large acreage for silage which is wonderfull for cattle. Many cover the rows with plastic sheeting after its drilled to encourage rapid germination & early growth (they also do this for early potatoes); the plastic is removed when the plants reach about 6" high.
Do they do this in the US too?
Cheers David

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skyharborcowboy

01-17-2008 07:43:14




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 Re: Low Sulfur diesel in my truck in reply to Jeff Oliver, 01-16-2008 14:25:55  
I agree with Allan just pump and go because you have no other choice as it is. I was just making you aware that if you see any leaking it is going to be your o-rings. If you do a search on www.thedieselstop.com you will indeed see a lot of people that have had their seals quit working. My truck (F350 Dually) has not had that problem yet.

Joe



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Gerald J.

05-31-2007 09:52:49




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 Re: Question on maize growing IA Gary in reply to David in Wales, 05-31-2007 09:19:41  
We can plant coated corn in 40 degree F soil and it comes up when the soil temperature gets up to about 56 degrees F. This year in central Iowa I planted my corn May 17, 18, and 19 with soil temperature close to 68 degrees F and the corn was up 5" in a week. No need to add heat. It should have a good growing season, most of mine was rated a 106 days, some was 108. Thats time to maturity, but corn is a heat sensitive crop depending more on total growing degree days or heat units. If the fall is warm it will mature earlier in days and be dryer when harvested than if the fall is cool.

With moderate size operations planting 1500 acres of corn, laying and lifting plastic would be difficult (65 million square feet). I could see plastic used for very early sweet corn crops (those that are the sweetest tend to need shorter seasons than field corn, though at the right minute field corn is sweet too) in small plots but not 80 acre fields.

Our Iowa growing season is great for growing corn and soy beans and the seed breeders provide us with a large selection (seems like 10,000 when its time to choose) of latitude specific varieties.

Gerald J.

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RodInNS

05-31-2007 10:12:51




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 Re: Question on maize growing IA Gary in reply to Gerald J., 05-31-2007 09:52:49  
We're talking about very low heat unit corn here; not what you're growing. I'm accostomed to dealing with Corn Heat Units, and our rating here in Cape Breton is anywhere between 2000-2400. TO give some perspective, Southern Ontario is around 3000, or more.... and you're probably up well over 4000 I'm guessing. I'd think this is something like 70 days maturity.
I'll see if I can scrounge up some pictures of the operation soon.... but basically, the corn is planted, sprayed, and covered in a 10 micron bio/photo degradable plastic mulch in one pass. The planter uses Kverneland vacuum metering units and a small Hardi sprayer built in, and then a standard plastic applicator on behind. The plastic also has pinholes arranged in strips over the rows. When the corn gets to the 6 leaf stage or therabouts, on a good hot day it jumps up through the plastic.

The biggest downside of this system is the cost of the plastic. Right now it's running at about 175 per acre... but hopefully they can get that down. Last year, in our area it took 12 tonne corn crops to 18 tonne per acre crops (silage), and boosted the starch content of that feed significantly. So, it's a high input system, but when you sit down and run the numbers, it will pay.

Rod

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Gerald J.

05-31-2007 10:58:05




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 Re: Question on maize growing IA Gary in reply to RodInNS, 05-31-2007 10:12:51  
We need to agree on heat units. In degrees fahrenheit our US growing heat units are the daily average temperature - 55. If the daily average is above 85 the number taken is 85.

And I just checked a corn data sheet, a 111 day corn needs 2575 heat units to black layer.

$175 an acre cost would kill corn production here. We already are putting in as much as $75 an acre for seed, some do $50 or 60 fertilizer, and $30 or 40 an acre for herbicide. And hope to produce maybe 160 bushels in that acre that cost $25 to run the combine each acre and most years to sell for under $2 a bushel. That doesn't pay for the $135 an acre cash rent (typical in past years but leaping with today's market prices that may not stay high) or for tractor fuel, equipment ammortization and operator labor. Two years ago, cash corn at harvest in central Iowa was $1.45 a bushel. Lots of farmers may reduce their debts this year if prices hold up or we forward contract enough. I have already forward contracted 40% of my anticipated crop and may sell more soon.

Gerald J.

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RodInNS

05-31-2007 13:53:34




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 Re: Question on maize growing IA Gary in reply to Gerald J., 05-31-2007 10:58:05  
To be honest, I'm not sure exactly how the heat units are calculated. This is Ontario Corn Heat Units I talking, to be specific. Mabey somebody can tell exactly how it's calculated.... but I think it's got to do with daily min/max temperatures for days that are over 10 degrees C, or something to that effect.
I know that without plastic, it's only some years that we can bring the very very shortest season varieties to an acceptable maturity for silage. Forget about high moisture or dry corn. It just doesn't happen.... although with the right variety high moisture could be done under plastic.

On the other side, we're not looking at commidity corn production. This is strictly for silage on our own operations, and it's all about milk. The way we look at it is that if that 175 of plastic will give us about 1/3 more crop of higher quality on the same inputs, it's going to pay for itself. I wouldn't argue your figures for inputs. Seed is about the same here. Fertilizer is about the same, as are the herbicides.... although our prices for both are no doubt a good deal higher than you pay. Roundup is a lot higher here, and we can't seem to get ahead of them on it. Fert is around 450/tonne for 25-25-0 that we use.... but that's all that goes on at 200# per, along with a good blast of manure.
We also save a pass on the pre-emerge since it's done by the planter, so there's a few bucks there.
The big thing with this system is that we're getting corn in the ground 3 weeks to a month earlier than we could under normal conditions, and using land that is generally considered marginal under any other circumstance because of the heat we get. Following that thought.... rent here is non-existant. We have land coming out the ying yang; given to us to keep the spruce bushes back.... Where rent is paid, 20 bucks is a huge figure; 5-10 is more common. So there's most of the price of the plastic for you right there....

It's pretty much a no-brainer here once you get past the idea of spending all that money on plastic. When you can drive out of the fog on the Avalon of Newfoundland.... the fog capital of North America, and see a field of corn coming to maturity, it's also hard to argue the results....

Rod

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RodInNS

05-31-2007 10:16:41




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 Check the Link... in reply to RodInNS, 05-31-2007 10:12:51  
In case this link doesn't work.... again.

www.samco.ie



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Matt from CT

05-31-2007 09:52:41




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 Re: Question on maize growing IA Gary in reply to David in Wales, 05-31-2007 09:19:41  
Never seen plastic on field corn! I live up in New England which has, especially in the northern parts, about as short of a growing season as you'll find in the continental U.S.

We only grow for silage and sweet corn in my area, no grain of any significance

Sweet corn under plastic, yes...it's kind of half for profit, half for bragging rights among certain market gardeners to have "native" (locally grown) sweet corn ready for the 4th of July. Which in our area requires the corn be started indoors, then transplanted under plastic tunnel outside until mid-May or so when the danger of frost is past.

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