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bm3501466

05-14-2007 11:06:19




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Time for another project. Does the 4.3 gas in a chevy s10 have the same bolt pattern as the small block chevy engines? If it does I was thinking about swapping it out for a 6.2 or 6.5 diesel. Would the front end be too heavy? Has anyone seen this done before?




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jdemaris

05-14-2007 16:23:48




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 Re: diesel in S10 OT in reply to bm3501466, 05-14-2007 11:06:19  
I've got over 40 vehicles with 6.2 diesels. The C-codes are 130 horse and 240 lb. ft. of torque. The J-codes a little better at 148 horse at 3600 RPM and 248 lb. ft. of torque at 2000 RPM. Detroit Diesel originally built the 6.2 to match the power of the 305 gas engine - and that's about what it does - but with much better fuel mileage. 6.2 weighs 650 lbs - it's the lightest V-8 diesel ever made in the US - but that will change soon. GM, Ford-IH and Cummins all have new small V-8 diesels coming out. I've seen several S10 2WDs with 6.2s. I've got two S10s with factory Isuzu 2.2 diesels - and they get up to 34 MPG. I also have a Chevy LUV 4WD diesel - again with a 2.2. and it only gets 27 MPG - but it has no overdrive and top speed is around 70 MPH. My best fuel mileage 6.2 is in an 82 1/2 ton 4WD K10 pickup with four-speed manual overdrive. It has gotten 26 MPH highway. I've heard the 6.2s in S10s tend to get around 32-35 when geared properly - not much different than with the little Isuzu 2.2 diesels in regard to fuel mileage.

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bm3501466

05-14-2007 18:45:09




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 Re: diesel in S10 OT in reply to jdemaris, 05-14-2007 16:23:48  
Does anyone know where I can find a 96 or newer S10 with a blown 4.3? Manual Transmission



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jdemaris

05-15-2007 06:16:50




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 Re: diesel in S10 OT in reply to bm3501466, 05-14-2007 18:45:09  
How come a 96 or newer? Just curious. Here in New York - a 96 or newer would not work for an engine swap - since 1996 is the first year of the State requirement of hooking to the OBDII system and checking codes. 95 and older don't have that problem.



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bm3501466

05-15-2007 09:18:25




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 Re: diesel in S10 OT in reply to jdemaris, 05-15-2007 06:16:50  
A 96 has airbags. I live in Southern Ohio nobody could care less about the environment. lol Will the 6.2 only swap with the 4.3 or will it swap with the 4 cylinders as well?



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jdemaris

05-15-2007 11:33:27




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 Re: diesel in S10 OT in reply to bm3501466, 05-15-2007 09:18:25  
As far as I know, all the later GMs share the same bolt-pattern except the 2.8 V-6. The old "Iron Duke" four-cylinder gas has the same bolt pattern as a 4.3, 305, 350, 379 and 395 diesel, etc. The four-cylinder diesels from Isuzu that Chevy used in LUVs, Chevettes, and S10s are entirely different.

Automatic transmissions though can be different internally - even though the engine bolt-pattern matches. An automatic 4L60E or 700R4 will have different innards depending if it's hooked to a four, a six, or an eight.

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Mike M

05-14-2007 17:35:46




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 Re: diesel in S10 OT in reply to jdemaris, 05-14-2007 16:23:48  
I too used to have multiple Gm trucks (not anywhere near your fleet) and used to work on and tinker with all the time.

Best thing I did was finally get rid of all of them and bought 1 Dodge Ram.



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jdemaris

05-14-2007 17:53:26




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 Re: diesel in S10 OT in reply to Mike M, 05-14-2007 17:35:46  
Best thing you ever did? ?

Hey . . . to each his own. I love the 6.2s - cheap to fix, cheap to run - and last a long time if you take care of them. Lost my first engine last year - in my 87 Suburban - crankshaft broke at 520,000 miles. Ran like a clock up to that point and the engine had not been apart since new. In regard to older diesels - parts are dirt cheap for the older GM and Ford-IH IDI engines. The new trucks will certainly outrun the older engines - but part prices are out of this world - and so are the new truck prices. I enjoy having zero debt- and hope to keep it that way. If I wanted to blow $30-40,000 - I'd buy some more land - not a new truck. I'd have to pay some more taxes, but the land wouldn't rot out - or wear out - in 15 years.

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Mike M

05-15-2007 04:38:26




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 Re: diesel in S10 OT in reply to jdemaris, 05-14-2007 17:53:26  
I bought mine used. But do the math you have 40 in your fleet if you have $1000 in each then you allready have spent $40,000 and then have to keep wrenching on them all the time. If you have the time and enjoy working on them all the time then you got the right models. I personally got sick and tired of always needing to fix something on my GM's and got rid of them and never looked back. I can only drive one at a time anyhow.

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jdemaris

05-15-2007 05:27:36




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 Re: diesel in S10 OT in reply to Mike M, 05-15-2007 04:38:26  
I like working on my own stuff - otherwise owning over a hundred diesel trucks and old tractors would make little sense.

In regard to cost? I've gotten many diesel trucks for free - or next to nothing. You mention $1000? The most I ever paid - in my life - for a truck was $3300 for my 94 Ford F250 ex-cab 4WD with a turbo 7.3 diesel. It's kind of a fuel hog, but I love the truck. It came from down south - it's rust-free. It's been more trouble free than many new trucks I'm acquainted with.

I just bought a 91 Suburban 1/2 ton 4WD with 6.2 diesel with a sealed-bid from a local school. Well maintained, runs perfect - paid $225 for it.

Also bought three diesel K5 Blazers recently - one in very good shape and low mileage, and two others with bad transmissions - and traded 50 bales of hay for them in total - i.e. $75 for all three. About your mention of contstant tinkering? I like working on equipment when the work is planned - and not a result of breakdowns on the road. Any truck I drive on the road gets completely gone over first - usually as a winter project. In the past 30 years - I've had ONE vehicle towed due to a breakdown - that's probably a better average than many get with newer vehicles. My neighbor has a new Ford diesel and it's spends a lot of time at the dealership with problems. I also see as a benefit with older stuff - that I can easily fix just about anything without needing complex newer diagnostic equipment and/or overprice parts.

In regard to only being able to drive one at at time? My wife and I always have at least five vehicles registered for on-the-road driving - and many others off-road as farm vehicles. But, we switch back-and-forth. Also have certain vehicles dedicated only for winter driving since salt ruins them. I find it useful to have a few lightweight vehicles that get good fuel mileage, a heavy diesel truck for towing, a diesel dump truck when I need it, etc. And insurance is $150 per vehicle every six months - i.e. $1500 per year total insurance cost for all of them. I suspect many people pay more than that for one new vehicle. And, in New York - inspection is much cheaper for older vehicles and cheaper yet for old diesels.

I'm not claiming my way is better or worse than anyone's elses - but it's certainly better for my wife and I. We enjoy having zero debt, low insurance costs, and the flexibility of being able to do many things for ourselves - by owning many old - but useful cars and trucks.

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RAB

05-14-2007 15:56:57




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 Re: diesel in S10 OT in reply to bm3501466, 05-14-2007 11:06:19  
Not a clue but was just thinking how do the rev limits compare? Might struggle for mph and economy if it needs gearing - different diff?
Regards, RAB



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Ludwig

05-14-2007 12:44:27




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 Re: diesel in S10 OT in reply to bm3501466, 05-14-2007 11:06:19  
I've been thinking a 6.2 might be interesting. At ~150hp its not going to be a power monster but should be plenty for that size truck. I'd think it should do ~25mpg or so also.
Of course my S15 4x4 w/2.8l used to do 25mpg but it had NO power...



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shawnspeed3

05-14-2007 12:07:00




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 Re: diesel in S10 OT in reply to bm3501466, 05-14-2007 11:06:19  
yes , a 4.3 has the corprate "small block" tranny flange , and as far as weight, if it is a 4wd with torsion bars see if you can't scare up a set of factory plow bars made to take the extra weight of a snowplow,(I Might have a set???) if 2wd go to a spring shop and get some springs for a small block powered caprice,police package...hope it helps Shawn



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