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OT: I am now in the Cattle bussiness.

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Kelly C

04-23-2007 16:48:34




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For good and bad. I purchased my 1st 2 young heffers today. 485 pound blackie and a 395 pound herford.

The herford is a nice little girl sitting quietly eating hay.

The blackie is a whole nother story.
Learned a valuable lesson today. My 1st instint said to pass on her as she looked a little high strung. I should have listened to my self.

Some guy next to me said.I dont know maybe she will calm down when she gets with some other cattle.
D'oh!
This girl is INSANE!!!!
She crashed through my rinkie dink corral like it was papper. Scared the heck out of the kids.

Was all we could do to get her back on the rented trailer again. She is going right back to the sale lot tomorow. She needs to be were thwere are big fences, like say a packing plant.
I did give her some hay and she is eating it. But not water she attacks the bucket.

Wow what a 1st day.

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GeneMO

04-26-2007 10:45:19




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 Re: OT: I am now in the Cattle bussiness. in reply to Kelly C, 04-23-2007 16:48:34  
I just sold out last week. Traveling 3 states and trying to keep cattle just didn't work. I was able to pay off the farm loan. So now I have no worries about cattle out or calving trouble or feed in the sleet and snow. And no debt. Things are looking up!!!


Gene



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Mike in Houston

04-24-2007 05:08:39




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 Re: OT: I am now in the Cattle bussiness. in reply to Kelly C, 04-23-2007 16:48:34  
Kelly,
Get some of those metal/pipe panels and put them when you first bring them home. I have had some calves that would try to knock it down when I first put them in there. I put them in a pen of only 10 - 10 foot panels made in a circle for a few days when I first get them. Have hay and feed already in there for them. They come off the trailer straight in the pen. The pen is in a shaded area in the pasture they will be in so when they finally settle down I leave one section open and walk off. They find their way out and by then they have an idea that a bucket means FOOD so when I go out to feed them, they won't come up right then but after about a week on pasture they run over you trying to get to the feed bunk. I pasture them in 5 acre spots before moving to the bigger pasture by the same method (leaving gate open and going back in the house.) They eventually find their way over there and no stress on them by moving.
Be careful with those calves. I've been run over before in a pen with them. Don't turn your back on them under any circumstance and never let a kid in the pen with them.
Take care,
mee

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Hard Knocks

04-24-2007 03:08:29




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 Re: OT: I am now in the Cattle bussiness. in reply to Kelly C, 04-23-2007 16:48:34  
A couple of points 1)if you get rid of the wild calf what is the other one going to do as you said she sort of went crazy when the other one was not with her? 2)A much better approach to getting in the cattle business would be to get a breeder near you to wean a couple calves for you and get them settled down before bringing them to your place it might cost a little more but will be well worth it. A sale barn is a place to get all sorts of problems including diseases its not the place for the inexperienced to buy stock

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Allan In NE

04-24-2007 03:22:23




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 Re: OT: I am now in the Cattle bussiness. in reply to Hard Knocks, 04-24-2007 03:08:29  
I agree.

Cattle are creatures of habit and anytime their daily routine is broken and/or changed (Read: human intervention), their world goes into a total tailspin and everything seems like a crises to them. They are more or less in a state of "shock".

First order of business to clam cattle down, is for the owner to calm down. :>)

Allan



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paul

04-23-2007 21:48:15




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 Re: OT: I am now in the Cattle bussiness. in reply to Kelly C, 04-23-2007 16:48:34  
You poor soul. First the hay buisness, and now cattle..... And you got married in the middle of that too, didn't you?

Aaaah. ;)

I have holstien & angus mixed - cow calf, small small herd. The gals that are over 50% white are just nuts around here, might as well ship them when they hit the ground. Mostly black are pretty nice - sometimes smarter than I like (or smarter than me anyhow...) but calm. The white ones tho....

A white one just had a calf, and she is something else. I got 3 pens in the barn, and 2 have water. She would _not_ leave the pen that doesn't have water. For 6 days. I'd give her a bucket as I didn't want her to fall over, but whatever I tried, she wouldn't leave that pen - and yea I moved the calf & it wasn't where the calf was born - was hard enough getting her _in_ the barn pen to start with.

Then she turned on me, wanted to push me back.

That is that, when her calf is bigger, she's gone.

Some just are that way. Like you say, high-strung.

--->Paul

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Ken-in-K

04-25-2007 09:26:47




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 Re: OT: I am now in the Cattle bussiness. in reply to paul, 04-23-2007 21:48:15  
Paul, Don't know where you are at , but I noticed your post about Angus and Holstien cattle, Are you X breeding, If so would like to email some questions , can't find anyone around here that does that, My email , biggs@scrtc.com. Thanks, if you receive this reply.



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Davis In SC

04-23-2007 22:51:00




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 Re: OT: I am now in the Cattle bussiness. in reply to paul, 04-23-2007 21:48:15  
Quote: The gals that are over 50% white are just nuts around here.

If you really want some wild ones, get some Charolais.. I learned never to turn my back on them.

Most Black Angus are fairly calm.. Bear in mind, that the black heifer just went through a rough day, weaned, caught, hauled, run through the sale ring, then loaded and hauled again.. Probably hungry and thirsty the entire time.. Give her a few days, she will calm down...

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R. John Johnson

04-24-2007 05:34:32




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 Re: OT: I am now in the Cattle bussiness. in reply to Davis In SC, 04-23-2007 22:51:00  
Davis

funny how regional differences change how we view different cattle breeds. Up here in my neck of the woods the Charolais are not considered wild. In fact most of my herd is Charolais or Charolais cross and it is one of the quietest herds I know. In my experience I find Red Angus cattle to be more high strung, with local experts labeling the most high strung to be Limousin.

John



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Kelly C

04-23-2007 23:43:10




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 Re: OT: I am now in the Cattle bussiness. in reply to MN Scott, 04-23-2007 20:45:26  
Help me out here?
I bet she has not had any shots. At least i dont know she has. If she did does it damage them to get another dose?

What do I need to give?,where do I get it?, Can I do this my self or vet bill?



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Matt in TN

04-23-2007 19:02:40




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 Re: OT: I am now in the Cattle bussiness. in reply to Kelly C, 04-23-2007 16:48:34  
Sounds like she isn't weaned yet. Put her up for a few days. By that, I mean put her in a strong, high-sided pen. Give her some water, hay, and a bit of sweet feed. I bet she'll calm right down.



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R. John Johnson

04-23-2007 18:45:57




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 Re: OT: I am now in the Cattle bussiness. in reply to Kelly C, 04-23-2007 16:48:34  
Kelly

Welcome to the cattle business! As you have already learned there is never a dull moment! LOL!

I think you are making the right decision to get rid of her. She will settle down like Allan says, but she has shown a tendency to be high strung and will act that way again if she is stressed. Say, like, at calving time. Or any time you need to work her. Let someone else deal with her. The other option of the packing plant is always valid. A week in the cooler seems to settle them down nicely.

John

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M Nut

04-23-2007 18:40:48




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 Re: OT: I am now in the Cattle bussiness. in reply to Kelly C, 04-23-2007 16:48:34  
Did you buy them at East Central in Mora? Just an fyi, Wednesday's are not feeder cattle auctions. They are for misc. livestock animals. There will be very few, if any, cattle buyers there, and you may get quite a bit less for her than you paid on today's sale. Take it for what it is worth if this is the case.



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Kelly C

04-23-2007 19:23:57




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 Re: OT: I am now in the Cattle bussiness. in reply to M Nut, 04-23-2007 18:40:48  
I know. I am sure to take it right on the chin with this one. But I have no where to put her. If I could have gotten her off the trailer with out distroying my place I would leave just as well alone.
Wish I had the pens out of my Grandpa's barn. 2x6 oak, could have just let her bounce around all day if she wanted.



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Aaron Ford

04-23-2007 17:44:16




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 Re: OT: I am now in the Cattle bussiness. in reply to Kelly C, 04-23-2007 16:48:34  
485 would be about 250 dressed out. Just a thought.

Aaron



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Kelly C

04-23-2007 17:54:20




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 Re: OT: I am now in the Cattle bussiness. in reply to Aaron Ford, 04-23-2007 17:44:16  
Wife made a comment about that, Wile we were sitting there trying to figure out what to do with it.

I looked at her and said " Now what the heck are we gona do?" After she said " WE? What do you mean WE? Your the one that brought it home.

I said " Well cant just leave it on a rented trailer for ever.

She said " Why not just take it to the meat locker.
I was going to do that until I found out I can take the calf back to the sale barn tomorow for the Wednesday sale.

Too bad too nice looking blackie.

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Allan In NE

04-23-2007 18:00:14




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 Re: OT: I am now in the Cattle bussiness. in reply to Kelly C, 04-23-2007 17:54:20  
Kelly,

You're compounding the problem.

You have 'em separated? Well, no wonder she's crazy. :>)

Put the two of 'em in the barn TOGETHER overnight like someone else said. They will calm right down.

Allan



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Kelly C

04-23-2007 19:04:40




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 Re: OT: I am now in the Cattle bussiness. in reply to Allan In NE, 04-23-2007 18:00:14  
Thats what I did. They were both going nuts until I got the black one out of there.
As soon as I got the black one back on the trailer the herford just calmed down and started to eat.
I mean I have worked cattle with my grandfather before. I have seen cattle act crazzy before.

No way it was going to stay in my pens.
She jumped at my wife wile she was holding a corral pannel next to the trailer.

I dont know who was more scared the calf or us.

I did finnaly get some water to that blackie. Rigged a hose to drip in the trailer. So she can drink any way. No telling when the last time she had water.

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Hard Knocks

04-23-2007 17:34:47




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 Re: OT: I am now in the Cattle bussiness. in reply to Kelly C, 04-23-2007 16:48:34  
If you want gentle should start out with a bottle calf



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Sid

04-23-2007 17:13:42




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 Re: OT: I am now in the Cattle bussiness. in reply to Kelly C, 04-23-2007 16:48:34  
Please post a picture of that Hereford "sitting quietly eating hay".



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Kelly C

04-23-2007 17:33:54




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 Re: OT: I am now in the Cattle bussiness. in reply to Sid, 04-23-2007 17:13:42  
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Here you go. She got up when I came back out.



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winky

04-24-2007 01:37:27




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 Re: OT: I am now in the Cattle bussiness. in reply to Kelly C, 04-23-2007 17:33:54  
thats not a midget is it???


Why do you suppose that wild one was at the auction? Did it have any barb wire around its neck???



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Vito

04-23-2007 17:12:05




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 Re: OT: I am now in the Cattle bussiness. in reply to Kelly C, 04-23-2007 16:48:34  
Should have put her in the barn for a day or overnight and let her calm down from the ride.Let them out slowly.First in the barn pasture before turning them loose in the main pastures.It is kind of like going to school for the first time.Sounds good but alot of nerves.Enjoy the experience.
Vito



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Walt Davies

04-23-2007 17:06:06




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 Re: OT: I am now in the Cattle bussiness. in reply to Kelly C, 04-23-2007 16:48:34  
I sold one like that early this year. She almost killed two of us when we were putting the tattoo in her ear. jumped over a 5 ft. corral fence an knocked herself out. I thought she was a goner but she made it up an terrorized me for almost a year before I sold her at Auction. Was real glad to get rid of that heifer.

Hey welcome to the cattle business for an profit with the main part on fun. Giggle.

Walt

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Allan In NE

04-23-2007 16:52:22




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 Re: OT: I am now in the Cattle bussiness. in reply to Kelly C, 04-23-2007 16:48:34  
Kelly,

That's the way weaned calves are and she's just scared. She'll calm down. Guarantee it.

Allan



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Jim Johnson

04-23-2007 17:58:16




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 Re: OT: I am now in the Cattle bussiness. in reply to Allan In NE, 04-23-2007 16:52:22  
Famous last words, Allan, famous last words.

Jim



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Kelly C

04-23-2007 17:05:22




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 Re: OT: I am now in the Cattle bussiness. in reply to Allan In NE, 04-23-2007 16:52:22  
I am sure she will. unfortunately for me my corral is not done. Even if it was I think a rebuild is in order. before I get the itch to buy again.
She is just a little one and she tore every thing up. Cant imaging if she was a 1200 pounder.

She even beat the crap out of the trailer. Took out the little window at the top in the front. Just kicked it right out.

Wife said I dont care what you do. that one is not coming on this place.

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Glen in TX

04-23-2007 21:47:47




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 Re: OT: I am now in the Cattle bussiness. in reply to Kelly C, 04-23-2007 17:05:22  
Sounds like not just a angus but a chiannia (spelling?) or limousine cross? Those never tame down and don't want anymore of them. Ones from Florida round up with helicopters are the worst.



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