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Ford 841 work with a case 6000 3 bottom Plow?

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30 POINTER

04-10-2007 09:57:44




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I am looking at buying a case 6000 3 bottom plow will my Ford 841 be able to pull it in rocky, sandy soils? If not can I take one of the bottoms off and make it a 2 bottom? The farmer wants $500.00 and it is in really good shape. I will be plowing in Door county in a field that use to be a forest. We took 6 acres of mature maples out & pulled all the stumps 3 years ago. I have alot of rocks in certain areas. The rocks range from softball size to football size. I have picked all the rocks on the surface but there is underlying rocks in certain areas. Any recommendations would help? I love this website!!!!

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JWCinMS

04-10-2007 21:32:18




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 Re: Ford 841 work with a case 6000 3 bottom Plow? in reply to 30 POINTER, 04-10-2007 09:57:44  
When I was growing up we had a 1964 Ford 4000 Diesel with a 3-14 Ford plow using 16" points. It would pull it well in tight red clay with the tires loaded with CACL. That was when the tractor was new to 8 years old and everything was in excellent shape. We also had rocky hills, but our plow had shear pin trips and we would just backup and put in another shear bolt and keep on going. We used an eight pan Athens Bush and Bog disk for new ground with stumps. Given the age of your tractor and the possibility that the governor or draft control might be less than perfect I would suggest a 2-14 bottom plow with shear pin or spring trips. I heard two many stories of the old Dearborn or Massey plows with out trips hanging under rocks or roots and the hitch would be in too much of a bind to unhook so a second tractor or a team would have to drag them backward. I wish you well; pulling a mounted plow was what the old Fords did best.

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30 pointer

04-11-2007 07:43:10




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 Re: Ford 841 work with a case 6000 3 bottom Plow? in reply to JWCinMS, 04-10-2007 21:32:18  
The plow is a case 6000. How do you measre the plow. I measure from the top to the bottom and it measured over 16". Can I assume this is a 16" . Everyone says I should use 14" can't I use 16" and not set them as deep? It has spring trips on all three plows and it looks like I can remove the plows to make it a two bottom.



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JWCinMS

04-11-2007 15:57:14




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 Re: Ford 841 work with a case 6000 3 bottom Plow? in reply to 30 pointer, 04-11-2007 07:43:10  
I just got back to the forum and the question was answered in a later post. If you take the back bottom off you will need to move the longer landslide or furrow wheel on the back of the rear bottom up to the second plow. Most plows have a long bar or beveled wheel on the rear bottom. Most of the modern Ford plows (mid 50s and later) had the wheel which helped cut down on the drag by a small amount. You will likely need to remove the vertical portion of the frame for the last bottom if you are going to plow very deep because it will be traveling over the ground that has not been plowed yet.

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30 pointer

04-17-2007 07:26:00




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 Re: Ford 841 work with a case 6000 3 bottom Plow? in reply to JWCinMS, 04-11-2007 15:57:14  
THe Furrow wheel is actually a normal tire which is mounted on the side of plow. Can I remove the front plow? I have sometimes a problem with clearance when the lift arms are all the way up. The plow has a tendency to scrap on the ground. I wanted to use the back two buttoms. Do you see a problem with that?



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Billy NY

04-10-2007 20:47:35




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 Root Rake and Photos in reply to 30 POINTER, 04-10-2007 09:57:44  
Thinking about the experience I had with my 850, turning a 60' x 200' area, that was once a hedgerow, with some 8" to 10" trees, and lots of brush. I let it sit for a few years, but hooking onto roots from cherry trees and small stumps, had to be careful. Similar soil conditions, rocks concentration of roots, 2 bottoms was all it could handle. I'd be making sure the clutch was good and adjusted in that 841, it could be some hard plowing. It would pull mine right out of 1st gear, but it's a bit worn as is too. I'm also of the opinion that in loose soil or soil that had been turned, the 3 bottom might work ok with one of these,( like in soil pictured below) shallow'er the better on the depth though. I cannot imagine doing 6 acres of those kind of conditions as I recall turning that fresh ground for a deer plot was hard on the 850, and for scale our 7 acres of corn was next to this patch I did, so I can visualize 1 less acre of tough ground, that is quite a task for one of these tractors, also have to watch spinning the tires in rock, can tear em up after hookin on to a root or something.

When we used to clear big sites, usually a clearing contractor would come in with a buncher-feller, shear off trees, and process, or loggers would clear cut. We had a pair of 235 cats on stump removal, and then hit the area with the D8K's with root rakes, to clean up before we hit it with scrapers to pick up the top soil, before mass excavation. Here is a photo of what one looks like, it's on e-bay right now, and I believe would fit my D7's c-frame angle blade, same guage as the d6 at 74" and it's what I would use after clear cutting and I would love to grab it, it's one state over, could put it to good use here. Lots of heavy rock would be hard on one of these, you can see a few tines bent a little, but they sure do work nice. If the ground is really tight with roots, a multi shank ripper on the back of a crawler, similar to a subsoiler, but more shanks, would break up the soil nicely, then hit with a root rake, then try plowing.


I did this area for my neighbor, it was the previous neighbors garden for 40 years, replanted it in grass, inthe fall, with rye straw mulch which actually came up the following spring, like I planted it on purpose! Real nice soil, but tough sod on the first round, this Harry Ferguson 2 bottom, sunk in deep and turned over some furroughs, this was the 2nd time I turned it after discing once:

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IlliniJohn

04-10-2007 17:35:09




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 Re: Ford 841 work with a case 6000 3 bottom Plow? in reply to 30 POINTER, 04-10-2007 09:57:44  
Any possibility of finding a disc-breaker plow in your area? If you haven"t seen one, they look like a regular breaking plow, but have big (24" or bigger" round, thick disc blades instead of moldboards. They work great in "new ground" that has roots, stumps, rocks, etc, as the disc plows tend to ride out of ground rather than hanging-up and breaking off. A 3 disc bottom breaker generally breaks less width than a 3 bottom conventional plow, thus pulling easier as well.
We had a John Deere 3 bottom when I was young, pulled it with an "M" Farmall - -plenty of power but way under weight for it.

Best Wishes and BE CAREFUL in the roots!!

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old

04-10-2007 11:36:50




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 Re: Ford 841 work with a case 6000 3 bottom Plow? in reply to 30 POINTER, 04-10-2007 09:57:44  
In good ground it would do ok but in rocks , and the root you will have the 841 will have lots of trouble pulling it. Your better off with a 2-14 or 2-16 plow in that type of ground. BTDT and its all my 841 wants to do in ground like that and my 841 was rebuilt back in the late 1980s and has less then 2000 hours on it. So if you can find a 2 bottom plow it will work a lot better for you and you should be able to find one for less then $300

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Mike (WA)

04-10-2007 11:10:34




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 Re: Ford 841 work with a case 6000 3 bottom Plow? in reply to 30 POINTER, 04-10-2007 09:57:44  
Best advice I ever got on plowing newly cleared ground was to buy all the old 2 bottom JD tag-along plows I could find for $50 each; use a breakaway hitch on the plow tongue; and have breakaway couplings on the hydraulics. Plow until you break the plow, then go hook up another. I found and bought 3. Broke one, parked it; broke another, but could fix it with parts from #1. Still have 2. With rocks and roots, all the more reason to do it with expendable plows.

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730virgil

04-10-2007 10:05:04




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 Re: Ford 841 work with a case 6000 3 bottom Plow? in reply to 30 POINTER, 04-10-2007 09:57:44  
are there any farmers near you that would let you
walk their corn fields after harvest to pick up ears laying on ground?



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730virgil

04-10-2007 10:13:15




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 Re: Ford 841 work with a case 6000 3 bottom Plow? in reply to 730virgil, 04-10-2007 10:05:04  
RATS! i goofed this message went to 1 down the page.



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