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what a messed up deal.. :0(

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Tim Shultz

02-24-2007 13:42:08




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my sister just called, said she needed some hay.. 100 bales.. said she done had it sold for 6-8$ a bale.. only it's going to some horse lady that wants GRASS! I don't know what the deal is with people that think horses can't eat alfalfa.. just don't feed them as much alfalfa as you would grass.. jeeze.. I could have sold it fore double or better then what I am selling it for now, but becouse it's such nice leafy alfalfa nobody wants it.. any of you guys have the same problem? Tim

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Mike (WA)

02-24-2007 18:23:02




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 Re: what a messed up deal.. :0( in reply to Tim Shultz, 02-24-2007 13:42:08  
We've raised horses for 35 years, and we stay away from alfalfa. It's too "hot" (behavior problems), and tends to make them colic. We feed pretty poor quality grass hay, purchased cheap, and haven't had a colic or impaction problem since. You can get away with feeding cattle a limited amount (to compensate for high protein), but single-stomach horses need a lot of feed going through them, so it needs to be only fair nutrition stuff.

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Larry NE IL

02-24-2007 20:37:44




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 Re: what a messed up deal.. :0( in reply to Mike (WA), 02-24-2007 18:23:02  
I raise and feed my horses mostly straight alfalfa. Just put down my 38 year old paint that I owned for 34 years. Your right, you just don't have to feed them as much when feeding alfalfa.
I've never seen colic from alfalfa. Usually comes from another problem.



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Walt Davies

02-24-2007 16:24:43




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 Re: what a messed up deal.. :0( in reply to Tim Shultz, 02-24-2007 13:42:08  
For that price I can sure ship it for you. i see a few big loads going out now and then I guess the higher prices have made it possible. I paid 150 a ton for alfalfa this winter but it was 3rd or 4th cutting real nice stuff. My little horse got to fat on it and he's now on a diet and complaining.

I have always mixed my alfalfa with grass hay for the cows they do really good on it. My grandfather mixed about 2/3 alfalfa to grass hay for his dairy cows (mostly Jerseys. 48 percent butter fat he sold the cream and fed the milk to the hogs mixed with dried fruit and oats and molasses cooked in a big 55 gallon barrel.

Walt

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Billy NY

02-24-2007 15:30:56




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 Re: what a messed up deal.. :0( in reply to Tim Shultz, 02-24-2007 13:42:08  
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This guy will hold 100 bales, can see some of that nice green alfalfa mix on top.



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in-too-deep

02-24-2007 15:46:22




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 Re: what a messed up deal.. :0( in reply to Billy NY, 02-24-2007 15:30:56  
Nice rig!! I'm more of an IH truck fan, but I always appreciate old trucks! Especially ones being used as they're intended to be.



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Billy NY

02-24-2007 16:03:44




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 Re: what a messed up deal.. :0( in reply to in-too-deep, 02-24-2007 15:46:22  
'64 F-600, still a work in progress, but she's road worthy at least. 292 Y-block, 4+2, twin cylinder hoist/ Obeco grain body, top speed 62 m.p.h., frame had some issues, but I did a really nice job on that repair, before something happened, have some good shots of that too, still have a long way to go. Under powered, gears kinda spread too far apart for my liking, runs great, got er tuned in nicely, leaks earl out of the trans and other places, mostly original, interior was clean, I still cannot believe I drove this thing 800 miles home last year, I like old trucks too, especially 61-66 F series, and it's there if'n you need to get a load of something, that is the most important thing, vs. a 3/4 ton truck.

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in-too-deep

02-24-2007 18:56:02




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 Re: what a messed up deal.. :0( in reply to Billy NY, 02-24-2007 16:03:44  
800 miles huh? Nice job, it'll always have a story to go with it that's for sure : ) I bet that 4+2 really helps out a lot. I saw an old Ford today...one of those trucks with headlights in the hood. What years were those made?



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JoeBob/IN

02-24-2007 15:27:42




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 Re: what a messed up deal.. :0( in reply to Tim Shultz, 02-24-2007 13:42:08  
Supply and demand my friend! I don't beleive the $6-$8 a bale part since we are one of the larger hay makers in the area and have a vast knowledge of the markets but if you remember this summer was rather wet and the alfalfa grew twice as fast as the grass so unless it was a pure grass field most of the hay baled this year in this area was mostly alfalfa. We have been out of grassy hay since it was baled except the first cutting we have and it is going fast but not anywhere near $6 a bale. For that price I would darn sure find some and truck it!

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Billy NY

02-24-2007 15:16:38




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 Re: what a messed up deal.. :0( in reply to Tim Shultz, 02-24-2007 13:42:08  
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I'd rather give em some alfalfa, then this:



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Billy NY

02-24-2007 15:11:41




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 Re: what a messed up deal.. :0( in reply to Tim Shultz, 02-24-2007 13:42:08  
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We had our bottom field in alfalfa for years, small field, like 7 acres worth, maybe 500-600 bales per cut, 3 times a year, and another 20 acres in grass hay, orchard grass mix I think, 11 acres of which, was thick and no weeds, used to get some nice green hay, and the weather seemed to cooperate more then, just the equipment was more of a problem. We would feed both, just more grass hay than the alfalfa, these were thoroughbred hunter/jumper horses, never had any trouble. The discerning horse people may not feed it, but each to their own.

If you feed em a bunch of it and let em suck down a lot of water after, well that might be a problem with colic, but at this time of year, some alfalfa in the mix won't hurt at all. A lot of the hay available around here is not very green, almost tan, I'd grab that alfalfa no questions asked, then feed it accordingly, only problem is they might just pick the alfalfa out and mash the rest into the bedding, but at least they are getting nutrients and not get thin.

I bought a 1000 bales from our neighbor last year, off his best fields, one of which was alfalfa mix, alfalfa was starting to thin on that field, they sure did like that stuff, let it sit for 2 weeks then started feeding it, just told them to be careful with the bales that were straight alfalfa, just mix it up a little, no problem at all. We had a stallion up there that really needed to be sold, no one was doing anything with him and he was like 3 years old, little wild and still a bit playful, one of the hired jerks was handling him like they do on the race track, twisting his ear, I escorted his arse off the place, boy it took me forever to make friends with this guy, be able to touch his ears again, little handful of alfalfa helped there !

Here's the guy, was a favorite of mine, had to win his trust though, they sold him, he's livin down south now:

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Jim Johnson

02-24-2007 14:38:58




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 Re: what a messed up deal.. :0( in reply to Tim Shultz, 02-24-2007 13:42:08  
I don't know where you are at but here in Ks. you can about name your price and it wiil be gone. Jim



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Tim Shultz

02-24-2007 16:01:19




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 Re: what a messed up deal.. :0( in reply to Jim Johnson, 02-24-2007 14:38:58  
I'm from indiana and have been selling it for $3 a bale.. but I have been having a hard time gettin that much for it.. everybody that stops by wants grass.. :0(
Tim



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flying belgian

02-24-2007 14:00:24




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 Re: what a messed up deal.. :0( in reply to Tim Shultz, 02-24-2007 13:42:08  
I find the same thing to be true. I can sell grass for twice the price as good alfalfa. I'm not complaining though. It's not like I can't get good price for alfalfa but I can get more for grass. southern Minnesota.



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Allan In NE

02-24-2007 13:45:32




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 Re: what a messed up deal.. :0( in reply to Tim Shultz, 02-24-2007 13:42:08  
Just wait a month and they'll be paying for baled sunflower stems. :>)

Allan



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