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rustin

02-15-2007 13:01:07

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I am looking for a skid loader & have up to $12k to spend. My main use is to feed a couple of round bales of hay every week & snow removal. Just wandering on some recommendations on different models. I am looking at New Holland & found an 97 LX665 & an 01 LS170. Both with low miles & well taken care of. Any pros/cons of both? Thanks

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RickL

02-16-2007 05:45:19

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Re: SKID LOADER? in reply to rustin, 02-15-2007 13:01:07

where you located I have some used on the lot. For round bales thou if you are talking one from newer balers I would go top the 180 model thou. Ther eis alos a fine line on skidsteers the larger you go the more power yopu loose to jusyt turn it and more tearing up it does

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big hunter

02-16-2007 05:14:59

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Re: SKID LOADER? in reply to rustin, 02-15-2007 13:01:07

I bought a new john deere 250 in 03 I wouldn't buy another john deere. the engine has since new been kissing the red on the temp gauge if the temp outside is about 80 and over (and that is just moving around loose dirt and gravel. (have talked to other john deere owners and they have had temp troubles to) I don't like that you have to adjust the drive chains, it's a little weak when the boom is low on the lift, after you get the bucket up to about waist high it has good power. the next skid steer I would buy will be a TAKAHUCHI (however you spell it) with rubber tracks. I've talked with several owners and they wouldn't have any other machine.. just my 2 cents

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dds-inc

02-15-2007 16:44:13

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Re: SKID LOADER? in reply to rustin, 02-15-2007 13:01:07

i have a bobcat 763 and an 863. They're pretty sweet for the excavating stuff. Getting up there in the hours, though, around 3800 hrs. apiece. The levers are getting a little floppy and stupid acting. Might get one of these for 9000.

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1950 mfd

02-15-2007 16:25:20

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Re: SKID LOADER? in reply to rustin, 02-15-2007 13:01:07

I forgot to tll you that I had the extra weights mounted on both machines.

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1950mfd

02-15-2007 16:24:14

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Re: SKID LOADER? in reply to rustin, 02-15-2007 13:01:07

I have used Case,Bobcat and New Holland skidloaders over the years. In my opinion, New Holland or John Deere would be the way to go. The NH always seemed more stabil. And yes I have put both a 753 Bobcat and an 1845 Case to shame with what I could do with my little 665 New Holland when we were using them side by side. The only reason I got rid of that machine is because I went to 1 LS170 with a cab and heat.

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Clint Youse MO

02-15-2007 16:13:04

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Re: SKID LOADER? in reply to rustin, 02-15-2007 13:01:07

I like the Case loaders or the newer Bobcats with hand controls the foot controls are foriegn to me and if it gets to rocking on bumpy ground you can brace yourself with your feet and are not accidentally hitting the controls with your feet. the New hollands are okay if not in tight areas but they have alot of tail swing. For your $12000 Range the case 1845C would be a good machine they are a little older but very dependable I am partial to the Case machines because that is what I started out running have run most of them though all have there perks just make sure you run it and look for leaks and worn parts try and get a machine that wa not used by a contractor usually they catch a little more abuse not always though and get what you like and are familar with

Clint

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Roy Suomi

02-15-2007 16:10:01

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Re: SKID LOADER? in reply to rustin, 02-15-2007 13:01:07

You want to shy away from any skid loader that uses chain box oil as hydrostatic and hydraulic oil.....A failure in the chainbox will allow contaminated oil to be drawn into EXPENSIVE hydrostatic and hydraulic systems..Always look for a machine with seperate oil reservoirs.....Hydraulic and hydrostatic are ok to be together, but not chainbox...When I mention chainbox , I'm refering to the area directly inward of the axles..99% of skidloaders use drive chains to drive the axles....

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Davis In SC

02-15-2007 15:55:17

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Re: SKID LOADER? in reply to rustin, 02-15-2007 13:01:07

You might want to check with some of the rental places. In 2002, I bought a Scat Trak 1800C, from a friend that had bought several from one of the big rental chains. It is a 1998 model, 86 HP Perkins, 1800 lb lift, had just over 1,000 hours on it. I only gave $8,500 for it.. I have been pleased with it. BTW, Scat Trak has now been taken over by Volvo, parts and service are available..

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farmer boy 2

02-15-2007 15:37:11

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Re: SKID LOADER? in reply to rustin, 02-15-2007 13:01:07

I would think it would be hard to find a LS170 for 12k usd although there is one in Ontario for app. that price. I would look for something bigger but your really limited by your price range. Never owned one , no need on our farm for one. The cheapest LS180 I can find is app. 18500usd. Our neighbour has a skid steer and I think it was a LS120. It's about 20 HP. Don't really know what he does with it cause he also has a Kubota M8200

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135 Fan

02-15-2007 15:22:07

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Re: SKID LOADER? in reply to rustin, 02-15-2007 13:01:07

What ever machine you buy, make sure to sit in it with a dirt bucket on it. With the bucket flat on the ground, make sure you can easily see the bucket cutting edge. It allows you to do much more precise work a lot faster. It may not seem like much but it is. With a snow bucket you can't see the edge. On some of the older JD and New Holland as well as others you are almost sitting down inside them. A higher seat is way better. For picking up bales a longer wheel base machine will be more stable. A machine will tip easier the higher it is lifted. I've found out the hard way loading wet clay in a dump truck. Luckily the bucket fell onto the outside of the box and not completely to the ground. It was a little scary but at least I had enough experience to get the bucket dumped. My machine has a seat bar that goes all the way across the front of you. Some machines have two little arms that turn. They're just a gimmick. A good seat belt is a must as well. Get a universal quick attach. Then you can go to Bobcat or anywhere else that rents attachments so you don't have to always buy them. When you get it don't try to go real fast. Going fast and doing a precise job come with experience. A lot of first timers try to show off how fast they can go. A tractor loader is no substitute for a skid steer and vice/versa. While some jobs can be done with both, they are made to do different types of work. Most machines are pretty good. See what dealers are around for parts etc. They can tell you of problem machines as well. Hope this helps. Dave

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Dig It

02-15-2007 17:11:53

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Re: SKID LOADER? in reply to 135 Fan, 02-15-2007 15:22:07

The reason i bought my 885 was for three basic reasons. It will lift alot and not be tippy. I unload pallets of portland (3200 lbs.) all the time.

It is very easy to see out of. I work in very tight quarters and you can see out the back window and the sides extremely well.

You can see the front of the bucket. If you have to do fine grading or shave a little off it is much easier when you don't have to guess where the bucket is.

I also have no problem loading dirt into tandems as the bucket has a much higher reach than others I have used and it actually goes forward some as it raises.

As far as foot controls go, I wouldn't have it any other way. I am often running an auger attatchment so my right hand has to be twisting the lever constantly. Guys will argue this point for hours, but I spend a great deal of time in my machine and have no problems with foot controls, regardless of the terrain.

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Midwest redneck

02-15-2007 14:29:49

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Re: SKID LOADER? in reply to rustin, 02-15-2007 13:01:07

Would it be possible to use (or buy) a used 3 year old tractor with 4WD, utility tractor type, 30HP for $12K. It would be hard to get a skidsteer loader in good condition for $12K. From what I have heard.

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RodInNS

02-15-2007 14:27:33

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Re: SKID LOADER? in reply to rustin, 02-15-2007 13:01:07

I've got an '01 LS170, and I like it. If I was replacing it I'd go for at least a 180. The 170 tops out at 1700 # lift, and it's reasonably stable with that at height. I've pulled 1.25 tonne skids off trucks and shoved them around, but it can't lift them; just roll them.... but it does get them off the truck.
Problems I've had ahve been mostly related to the final drives. I'm in the mud a lot with that machine and it wears the bottoms out of the final drive at the rear. It loses it's oil, gets dirt inside, wears chains, wheel bearings and pinion shafts. I've gone in so far as to replace the motor shaft, and all the drive parts in one side except sprockets. It's not the nicest machine to work on either..... But I do like working with the machine. It's got basic foot controls, boom hydraulics and Universal quick tach.
Engine and hydraulics have been fine. Just the drives, and they'd no doubt be fine if I kept clear of the mud and caught the problems sooner....
I'd have no hesitation to buy another NH. I'd just go a bit larger for lift capacity, and get a cab kit (enclosed cab). You will be challenged to get a LS170 in your price range unless it's pummeled to crap. Anyhow, hope this helps....

Rod

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Brokenwrench

02-15-2007 13:47:22

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Re: SKID LOADER? in reply to rustin, 02-15-2007 13:01:07

FWIW, I have an 02 gehl 4635 and love it.
I was raised on the gehl controls, I never have gotten used to the foot controls on the NH and bobcats. I know around here a few guys have case machines and really like them as well. I believe a real popular model is the 1845 case/ih. Some one will correct me if I`m wrong.
Other things to consider are heated cab, and hi/lo range(spendy but real nice). I would definately get one new enough to have the universal hook-up. That opens you up to be able to rent/buy tons of attachments.
Sorry i`m not much help on the new holland machines, but good luck and I know you`ll wonder how you ever got by without one once you have it.

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Dig It

02-15-2007 13:09:24

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Re: SKID LOADER? in reply to rustin, 02-15-2007 13:01:07

The 665 might be a little light. I have the 885 and it is a brute. Mine is a 1996 that I bought new. 2 speed so you can cruise at 12 mph. I unload trucks using the forks and it has plenty of capacity. The 665 would probably be a bit tippy with a big bale.

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rustin

02-15-2007 13:21:40

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Re: SKID LOADER? in reply to Dig It, 02-15-2007 13:09:24

Or should I consider an LS180? I am trying to find the "middle-point" & as I increase in mahine size, it gets VERY hard to find something in the $12k range.

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