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OT: Water pump pressure switches

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Dan-IA

10-29-2006 11:55:38




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I've got this antique water pump. 1/2hp electric motor, belt, gearbox, rod going back and forth, about 4 valves with copper rings and springs.

Now, I've got a pressure switch on it that turns it on when I use water and the pressure drops. Problem is, it tends to quit pumping and just keep running indefinitely. Apparently it loses its prime. Sometimes I find an air leak. Sometimes the cause is it pumped all the water out of my shallow 30-ft well, and starts sucking air. Sometimes I can't find a cause. But it would appear that just wiggling the hose up and down (forcing water through the check valve at the bottom of the well) gets it restarted without any trouble.

What I need is some sort of pressure switch that works in the reverse fashion: shutting the pump off when the pressure gets too low, like say, 5psi or less. That would shut the pump down when it loses its prime, saving on the electric bill and wear/tear on the pump. Even though cavitation on this pump doesn't seem to be an issue, I still hate to see it running dry.

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Jerry Coulter

10-29-2006 14:14:58




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 Re: OT: Water pump pressure switches in reply to Dan-IA, 10-29-2006 11:55:38  
Make me an offer. I have one that hasn't been used for 40 years. Gard-all made by Furnas Electric Co. Was new around 1962. Red.



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jdemaris

10-29-2006 13:03:27




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 Part number and price in reply to Dan-IA, 10-29-2006 11:55:38  
Here's one example for what you want. They used to be called "low water shut-off" switches - but it seems the marketing has changed. Square D now calls it a "reverse action pressure switch."

Square D reverse-action - Switch,Pressure
9013FRG22J36 $36.10 Grainger # Grainger 6B452 Water Pump Pressure Switch, Pressure Range 45-4 PSIG, Adjustable Differential Pressure 6-20 PSIG, Factory On/Off Setting 10-5 PSIG, Type F, 2 Poles, Reverse Action at: Link

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massey333

10-29-2006 14:33:38




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 Re: Part number and price in reply to jdemaris, 10-29-2006 13:03:27  
Yours and the others were very good answers,But why isn't his pump shutting off(Running out of water,,pressure switch too high for pump Condition,Air leak in suction line or what.??)If it is from running out of water then I have had better luck and Peace with a what Myers Pumps and probable others called a Low water Power Disconnect Which sensed a low water Cond.and SHUT the power off until the water level came back up to a safe level.The Low Pressure are fine if all you want is to protect the pump but on REMOTE or RENTAL Systems the low water sensors are almost GOOF PROOF.Until he finds why his pump isn't shutting off,the problem will continue.Sorry if I'am too strong but until the cause is found,Every thing else is a BAND-AID.

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jdemaris

10-29-2006 15:13:26




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 Re: ???? in reply to massey333, 10-29-2006 14:33:38  
Well, you've got me confused now. Assuming I can still read and interpret American English - the guy that started this post #1 thinks his pump is losing its prime, and #2 he specifically asked if a switch is available that will shut down when PSI gets below 5. I specifically answered #2 - with a part number and description of exactly what he said he wanted. In reference to possibilities to what is causing his described symptoms - I did mention the typical problems that usually occurred with piston-pumps - e.g. piston seal, cut-off set too high for the old style pumps, etc. Pistons seals wore out very often and usually, a spare was kept along side the pump for quick replacement. When the seal wears, it won't pump high enough pressure to shut-off at the high end, and often won't be able to create enough suction to override a check or foot valve to feed itself water. The reality is - he's fooling around with an old-style pump. I lived in many houses with them and installed - and replaced many. They worked fine for small or dug-wells and springs - but cannot keep up with modern typical water demands and typical modern flow rates of driven/drilled deep wells. I didn't get the impression he is expecting modern GPM or pressure performance out of an old piston-pump. If he is - than anthing other than replacement would be a "bandaid."

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massey333

10-29-2006 18:13:37




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 Re: ???? in reply to jdemaris, 10-29-2006 15:13:26  
I didn'tDispute anything you said on the switch.I just said if he doesn't know why the pump is losing prime,then the switch is the Band-Aid.We have had too many of those switch fail and not shut the pumps off.I know what those pumps are and can do and they are not a high pressure unit.I just stated a option to use if he is running out of water.When you don't have water and no possible way of ever getting it,you learn some different ways.Sorry I'am not a Worldly Expert like some.

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jdemaris

10-30-2006 05:05:53




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 Re: ???? in reply to massey333, 10-29-2006 18:13:37  
I am, by no means, a Worldly Expert. The older I get, the more I recognize how much I do NOT know. That is one of the reasons why I like reading these forum posts where there is input from all over the country and sometimes, the world. That being said, I've had a lot of work experience in different trades dating back to the 50s, but . . . I've never left the East Coast - so my experiences are a bit myopic and region-specific.

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Don c

10-29-2006 12:58:04




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 Re: OT: Water pump pressure switches in reply to Dan-IA, 10-29-2006 11:55:38  
Get a new regulator switch that has the shutdown switch on it, don't know what pressure they shut down but think its about 10#. You must reset switch everytime it does this. Mine is just a lever that trips and you reset it by lifting it up till it get prime.



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John T

10-29-2006 12:57:54




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 Re: OT: Water pump pressure switches in reply to Dan-IA, 10-29-2006 11:55:38  
Dan, such a switch is readily available, they cost just a tad more then the regular pressure switches usually furnished with the pump that are cut in and cut out only with no provision to shut down at extreme low presure. They have the lil hand/finger lever out the side which you hold to engage, but once the pressure rises it holds itself in but drops out n shuts the pump off like if you loose prime and pressure drops real low.

John T

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Jdemaris

10-29-2006 12:50:38




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 Re: OT: Water pump pressure switches in reply to Dan-IA, 10-29-2006 11:55:38  
That type of water-pump switch is available - we used to always install them on wells that dry out or pump out easily. It's just the standard type pressure switch with an additoinal "low water shutoff" and shuts down once PSI gets below 5 pounds. Once that happens, you have to manually reset it with a little hand lever. Also keep in mind that the older piston pumps often need new leather seals on the pistons - especially if they've been run dry. Easy to fix - and in fact - the piston seal is easy to make. They also - usually - will will not run as high PSI as a jet-pump. Sometimes it's best to have the shut off at 30 PSI - but it all depends on the condition of the pump.

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RAB

10-29-2006 12:01:33




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 Re: OT: Water pump pressure switches in reply to Dan-IA, 10-29-2006 11:55:38  
Oil pressure idiot switch plus a bypass link/ switch to get it running?
Regards, RAB



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