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trouble

08-18-2006 17:11:21




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How often do you guys change your antifreeze
in your tractors? I just bought a 26 year old
tractor with very green antifreeze and wonder
if it should be changed. Ron




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MN Bob

08-19-2006 08:57:04




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 Re: antifreeze changing in reply to trouble, 08-18-2006 17:11:21  
Ron; I dont know what tractor you have, I buy an additive from John Deere for my JD tractor (Late Model) but all the older ones including Allis Chalmer, I change after 2 years. Expensive? Well cheap compared to replacing sleeves and rebuilding engines. My IT for the WD (A/C) says to NEVER use additives. Might have meant leak stop etc but I take it literally. Lots of the old water pumps etc used packing that may not react well. Just my thoughts. Bob

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jake4

08-19-2006 06:54:38




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 Re: antifreeze changing in reply to trouble, 08-18-2006 17:11:21  
The antifreeze looses the antirust and water pump lube after a period of time. Prestone and others have an additive to renew these propertys the antifreeze is good forever.



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Joe in MN

08-19-2006 06:02:28




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 Re: antifreeze changing in reply to trouble, 08-18-2006 17:11:21  
When I was a youngster - my dad had several delivery vans, I always seen him change the motor oil, but NEVER seen him change the Antifreeze... For the Last 60 years or so, I've owned my own Auto's (and Tractors) and NEVER (NEVER) have I Changed the Antifreeze.... IF I find a bad hose or have to change a water pump, I save the Antifreeze and put it back in the unit as I filter it. (( I have a antifreeze test gage to make sure it's up to doing the job ))
SO --- you guys who (THINK) that your antifreeze goes bad --- your just throwing your money down the drain... I hope this one makes you feel good ! ! ! !

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Devin Sparks

08-18-2006 19:37:57




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 Re: antifreeze changing in reply to trouble, 08-18-2006 17:11:21  
RAB is right. I bought a used 100 HP Massey. I then went and changed all the fluids and filters. Yes this was a good chunck of change but I know that it has been done. Good Luck...

Devin



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burnetma

08-18-2006 18:51:07




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 Re: antifreeze changing in reply to trouble, 08-18-2006 17:11:21  
Trouble,

First of all, thoroughly look over the cooling system. Check the condition of all hoses and check for leaks around the radiator, water pump, head gasket, thermostat, water necks, etc... Then remove the radiator cap and look down inside. There should be little or no white deposits on the tube ends. If everything in the cooling system passes the eyeball check move to step 2 which is the chemical condition of the antifreeze.

The chemical condition of the antifreeze can be checked using test strips that can be purchased at NAPA and other automobile stores (be sure they know that you are testing green antifreeze). The strips are simple to use. Using a set of clean needle nose pliers, dunk the strip in the filler neck for the specified time. Allow the strip to develop, as per the instruction, and check the color vs. the code on the instructions. The test strips test for three conditions of the antifreeze; PH, Nitrites and freeze point. If PH or freeze point are out of range, change the antifreeze as soon as possible. If nitrites are out of range low, you could (underline) add a conditioner to the system to increase the nitrite count (more important on diesels than gas engines). Typically nitrites are out of range high with most multipurpose antifreeze (i.e. standard yellow bottle Prestone or knock-off brands) and this is OK for gas engines. Diesel engines should use specially formulated antifreeze.

I hope this was helpful.

Mark

PS Note that SCA"s are REAL important on wet sleeve diesels. Not so much an issue on gas or dry sleeve diesel engines.

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noncompos

08-18-2006 18:34:57




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 Re: antifreeze changing in reply to trouble, 08-18-2006 17:11:21  
RAB is right about AF having an alleged effective life, not so much for temp protection as the anti-corrosion, anti-rust, water pump lubricity wearing out, per the var Owners manuals, etc...whether it's true, or just designed to get the car in the shop or sell more AF I have no idea. (The orange in mine sez 150K or 5 years, whichever comes first). Good luck.



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RAB

08-18-2006 17:43:28




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 Re: antifreeze changing in reply to trouble, 08-18-2006 17:11:21  
trouble,
The age of the tractor is, of course, not indicative of how old the antifreeze might be. Nor is the colour for that matter.
However it may be prudent to check/change all service items on a newly aquired machine, unless you know the service history.
I do not believe antifreeze has a shelf life but will have an effective servcice life during which time it should afford optimum protection if used correctly. For antifreeze, this does not just mean it will not freeze - it has other desirable attributes - and the same principle applies for the other fluids . The machine is presumably worth more than than the cost of the fluids and service items, so these should be regarded as an investment, so there should be no question as to whether we think it should be changed. Just do it along with all other service items and you will be confident that all adjustments/service items can be correctly changed or checked at the appropriate times in the future, to keep your machine in tip top order.
RAB

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