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Mitch Furness

08-10-2006 14:07:37




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HI Everyone. Just trying to find out how widespread bio diesel use is in the US. When I say bio diesel I mean alternative oils such as canola (rapeseed) etc. Has anyone made it at home. Can it be bought at the bowser? Can you buy a 20litre drum of vegetable oil and add it to your tank? Probably dumb questions but you guys would know. By the way diesel is $1.40 Aus here which is about $1.86US.

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Mitch in Australia

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paul

08-10-2006 23:25:11




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 Re: Bio Diesel supplies in reply to Mitch Furness, 08-10-2006 14:07:37  
Minnesota (a north-central USA state) has required all diesel fuel to contain 2% bio (soybean oil, as that is what we grow here, tho dead-animal places are also adding a small amount) since last September. The plan is to ramp up that amount as in-state crushing plants come on-line, to 5% is the plan for now and likely up to 20% some day. We get very cold, so any problems will turn up 'here'. :) A few did last winter, but seems to have worked it out.

That is the commercial, big side of things.

For the average farmer, one can get a barrel of soy-oil from any of our fuel suppliers & have it splash-blended to whatever % you want. Most go around 20%. Many individual farmers are doing this for their tractors, combines, & trucks.

A lot of, um, hippie-type folks are brewing their own fuel from old frier grease, & other such sources. I'd call that kind of a hobby deal tho, seems like it doesn't have a bright future, relying upon collecting free cooking oil from resturants....

(Minnesota also has required 10% ethanol in it's gasoline for decades, & just passed laws that would ramp that up to 20% in the future. E85 which is 15% gasoline, 85% ethanol is available about every 25 miles or so at many gas stations.)

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Mitch Furness

08-11-2006 00:29:48




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 Re: Bio Diesel supplies in reply to paul, 08-10-2006 23:25:11  
Thanks Paul. There is a growing ethanol industry here which buy the way annoys all of the cattle lotfeeders as they fear their supplies of cheap grain will be turned into ethanol. Biodiesel however is more limited it seems. We have e10 blends etc but they are not mandated.

Mitch



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paul

08-11-2006 09:18:52




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 Re: Bio Diesel supplies in reply to Mitch Furness, 08-11-2006 00:29:48  
Minnesota grows a great deal of corn & soybeans (about #4 in the USA), but we are dead-center top north in the USA, farthest away from any ports to export grain. So our crops are about as cheaply priced as anywhere in the country, often 35-65 cents less than other places in this coutry.

So _any_ way to use these crops locally is very much welcomed by ag people.

The byproducts of turning corn into ethanol (mash or dried distillers grains) and soybeans into oil (bean meal) are both excellent feed sources, and has been a boon to local feeders, rather than a negative. We will have issues with too much bean meal especially as the bio-diesel ramps up, will likely make feed costs lower around here.

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noncompos

08-10-2006 14:36:05




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 Re: Bio Diesel supplies in reply to Mitch Furness, 08-10-2006 14:07:37  
Mitch: there"s another tractor site that has a Fuel and Lubricants forum (tractorbynet.com); haven"t been in it for awhile but it did have quite a few comments re" bio, both comm"l and do-it-urself.
You might want to run the archives here and there; there"ve been some negative experiences as well.
Question: We understand both you and the EU countries have long had high fuel taxes, and that you"ve compensated by going to smaller, more efficient engines. But what about heavy trucks and eqpmt? D"you just have to swallow the higher cost, and try to get a little more for your work, or does it just make life a little more difficult?

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Mitch Furness

08-11-2006 00:26:39




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 Re: Bio Diesel supplies in reply to noncompos, 08-10-2006 14:36:05  
There is a 30c/l fuel rebate for off road users like agriculture which does not apply to biodiesel. Heavy transports though pay full price as far as I know. The margins are very slim for heavy vehicle operators. I go tmy fuel price right first time, it is about $1.40/L which is about $4.75/gallon US (i think). There is a 30-40c/L excise on all fuel sales-indexed to inflation.



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Mitch Furness

08-10-2006 14:09:06




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 Re: Bio Diesel supplies in reply to Mitch Furness, 08-10-2006 14:07:37  
I meant to say $1.86 per litre.



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Logan in S.E. Texas

08-10-2006 14:23:45




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 Re: Bio Diesel supplies in reply to Mitch Furness, 08-10-2006 14:09:06  
Mitch, same as I posted for manure to fuel post below:
Economically feasible..... long way to go before it gets there. For it to "really" work here, whoever or whatever company that produces it HAS to be able to turn a profit doing it. That is the American way.



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