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Jrry

08-01-2006 06:52:13




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My two sons graduated from college May 20 of this year and I thought I would be rich now since no more college expenses but it ain't happened yet. The month they graduated I had a tennant move out of a house I own. I had a lot of expenses fixing it up and just got it rented again. Tractors don't seem to be selling right now. I'm over the hump so to speak but was wandering how others are fairing. Anybody having any luck with selling old iron or parts?
Jerry

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Kelly C

08-02-2006 07:55:22




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 Re: Anyone else out there broke in reply to Jrry, 08-01-2006 06:52:13  
Broke? Well thats relative. I suspect just treading water right now.
I did read a interesting article in the papper last weekend.
The stats they use for gas usage is geared for those who live in or near cities. $3 gas is a inconvinence to them. They dont drive as much so maybe they will spend a couple hundred more bucks a year on gas.
Rural people are getting the long shaft of the gas prices and they usaully have bigger vehicles to boot.
Some are paying 2 or 3 hundred extra dollars a month in gas. Maybe more.
That will take a bite out of your wallet real fast.

My self we are ok for now. Wife drives 2 mi to work so no big deal there. I drive about 200 mi day for my work but have a company vehicle and they pay the gas. Thats ok for now, but I cant see them taking it in the shorts for ever. Our work volume is down 20 percent. No one is building new houses this year. And we hired hard off of last years numbers adding 10 percent. Some things gona give soon.

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Vacherie

08-01-2006 19:06:52




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 Re: Anyone else out there broke in reply to Jrry, 08-01-2006 06:52:13  
I see that many of you are seeing the real meaning of what President Reagan called "Trickle Down Economics". The more tax breaks the rich get such as lower income taxes and inheritance for those that leave more than $2,000,000 the slower the trickle gets.



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Rauville

08-01-2006 15:56:56




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 Re: Anyone else out there broke in reply to Jrry, 08-01-2006 06:52:13  
Apparently, who isn't broke is evident by who spends big money at the auctions. Check out what a John Deere dealer from North Dakota bought at a auction down here in SD for $137,500.00!!!
Lots of money for an old hunk of zinc!



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John M

08-01-2006 18:37:33




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 Re: Anyone else out there broke in reply to Rauville, 08-01-2006 15:56:56  
OMG..... I REALLY NEED TO GET A ANTIQUE COKE MACHINE!



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Bret4207

08-01-2006 15:55:43




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 Re: Anyone else out there broke in reply to Jrry, 08-01-2006 06:52:13  
Yup, we're all broke and we sit here in front of our $500.00-3500.00 computers with our $50.00 high speed DSL conections. Hmmmmm. Broke?
It's all in your perception.



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Allan In NE

08-01-2006 13:41:26




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 Re: Anyone else out there broke in reply to Jrry, 08-01-2006 06:52:13  
Broke?

I was just notified that I'm the poster child fer "Broke". :>(

Allan



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MF Poor

08-01-2006 13:19:39




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 Re: Anyone else out there broke in reply to Jrry, 08-01-2006 06:52:13  
Broke? as in "had money but ran out"? Sorry, none to begin with and then I ran out. Well, not realy that bad. Making ends meet, paying bills, eating enough to stay fat, and still have enough to pay for internet. But as far as saving for a rainy day. It may be best if it don't rain anytime soon.



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George in Biloxi

08-01-2006 12:41:26




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 Re: Anyone else out there broke in reply to Jrry, 08-01-2006 06:52:13  
I just wish I had not read all of these. I need to find a window, up high....;>)



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T_Bone

08-01-2006 11:58:37




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 Re: Anyone else out there broke in reply to Jrry, 08-01-2006 06:52:13  
The best investment I"ve made in the past 10yrs was buying a money management puter program. I started with MsMoney and now have Quicken Basic as it has a calender that can be written on.

Why? Because I found out just how much money I was wasting on junk buys, meaning pop, candy, tools, etc;

What got me to finally do this was the pay phone I was using (before cell phones), the owner decided to change to a private pay phone company so he could make a few pennys. Well his phone provider sucked big time so I decided to complain to the owner. He didn"t care that my family was spending $1250yr on pop from his store and that"s not counting all the other money we spent there, gas, food, munchies, etc: BTW he let me use another pay phone down at the next mini-mart for those few penny"s he was making on the phone.

Then it hit me, $1250 in pop a year??? I must be freaking nuts.

I"ve always been a good money manager on large sums of money but that wasn"t where the problem was. The puter money manager showed me I was wasting 30% of my income on BS buying between the four of us.

For $30 buy a copy of Quicken/MsMoney and start tracking your daily expenses. You might just get the shock of your life of where your money goes.

T_Bone

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Davis In SC

08-01-2006 14:09:44




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 Re: Anyone else out there broke in reply to T_Bone, 08-01-2006 11:58:37  
Good advise, T_Bone, about the small items adding up. A Coke & bag of chips, for a snack, cost at least 2 bucks, I can eat a meal for less than that.. Can of beans, sardines, & a few crackers... I once read, if you take care of the pennies, the dollars will take care of themselves.. I know the last 2 years have been rough on me. We have lost almost all of our business at the shop, cuistomers getting it done in China. I have cut back on spending, & try to get out & make extra money selling & trading. Every dollar helps. Thankful for what I have, we still have it mighty good, compared to most of the world..

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Aces up

08-01-2006 11:02:59




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 Re: Anyone else out there broke in reply to Jrry, 08-01-2006 06:52:13  
Well I have to say, I am even with the world!
I owe just as many as I don't owe.



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Jak

08-01-2006 10:29:31




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 Re: Anyone else out there broke in reply to Jrry, 08-01-2006 06:52:13  
My wife and I make more money than we ever did and have less to operate on.We went out to eat at Lamberts in Sikeston MO last sunday for the first time in two years and I couldn't keep my mind off the gas guage the whole distance.I seen gas in Sikeston at 2.77 Sunday and thought that was cheap,can you imagine that?Electric bill went from 130 up to 228.00 this month,DERNITT!Everything is sucking us dry.They say on the news that people are accepting the gas prices and still going just like they did,thats bu!!sh!t I have quit going just about everywhere exept home and work.

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the tractor vet

08-01-2006 11:11:20




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 Re: Anyone else out there broke in reply to Jak, 08-01-2006 10:29:31  
Well if the News media said it it must be the gospal . For ten buck ya get less at the gas station then ya did when i was a kid for a buck . Had more money in my pocket back then also . GETTING BAD WHEN A NEW ONE TON 4x4 COSTS AS MUCH AS I PAID FOR A NEW IH 4370 Eagel layed out and decked out back in 77 and it made a living for the family . In all the pickup that i have had all they do is cost ya even the snowplow trucks at times cost more for upkeep then they made .

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Jak

08-01-2006 12:43:59




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 Re: Anyone else out there broke in reply to the tractor vet, 08-01-2006 11:11:20  
There is a new Dodge with the V10 Viper engine it at the local dealership that has a listing of over 50,000 bucks.It says it gets about 12mpg.A person would have to be filthy rich to buy that.



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Lou

08-01-2006 10:01:25




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 Re: Anyone else out there broke in reply to Jrry, 08-01-2006 06:52:13  
Im gratefull that Im not broke, and am healthy enough to hustle for a buck. I am affraid if they dont control the medical costs a lot of us will end up broke.



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Mike M

08-01-2006 09:49:08




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 Re: Anyone else out there broke in reply to Jrry, 08-01-2006 06:52:13  
If you don't think tractors are selling just go attend a big auction like Polks. There is alot of big money being spent ! Alot of local farm sales too,but I still don't hear about alot of bargains ? I sold a backhoe and have some money to spend and I can't find anything to buy except for new. Most late model used stuff I call about locally is sold. I want to invest this money in some equipment before I spend it on gas or the old lady gets ahold of it !

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Bus Driver

08-01-2006 09:40:42




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 Re: Anyone else out there broke in reply to Jrry, 08-01-2006 06:52:13  
Not broke, but badly bent!



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Animal

08-01-2006 09:34:21




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 Re: Anyone else out there broke in reply to Jrry, 08-01-2006 06:52:13  
Something has got to change....I am too old to cry and just plain tired of cussing, the only bright side is the family so far is healthy, but to you folks under Doctors care you have my thoughts prayers and sympathy!



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Dachshund

08-01-2006 09:18:17




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 Re: Anyone else out there broke in reply to Jrry, 08-01-2006 06:52:13  
Wish I had enough money to be classified as broke! Fixed income, doctors are 60+ miles away (VA), no health insurance for me or my wife (can't afford it), have to save gas money for 6 months just to be able to afford to go to my doctor appointments, most of the time I just piddle around the farm, but that's getting expensive, too. No money for tractor/lawn mower gas, getting low on chicken/cat food, and no money to buy more. Good thing goats eat corn stalks and I got enough hay in the barn. Ain't broke though, just ain't got no cash.

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old

08-01-2006 09:13:21




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 Re: Anyone else out there broke in reply to Jrry, 08-01-2006 06:52:13  
Yep I'm broke right now also. I have 5-10 tractors for sale and have for more then a year and no ones buying. Shoot right now if some one said they would give me a million dollar if I gave the $20 I would have to find some one to give me $30 just so I would have the $20. They say the gas prices aren't hurting any thing as far as inflation etc. but if it isn't then I guess I'm just doing something wrong since I haven't had any moeny since the price of gas got over $2 a gallion

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IH2444

08-01-2006 09:26:54




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 Re: Anyone else out there broke in reply to old, 08-01-2006 09:13:21  
a lot of games are being played with the energy costs vs inflation game. fuel surcharges are not a price increase :( they are a seperate charge and do not reflect on inflation.



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Easy1

08-01-2006 10:19:59




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 Re: Anyone else out there broke in reply to IH2444, 08-01-2006 09:26:54  
You are spot on that one! If you want some info on how our government is manufacturing inflation statistics, google " contrarian chronicles" by Bill Flectensteen - BTW a farmer. In any case, energy is not included in the COLA index the government puts out. Kind of like unemployment - if you run out of benifits, you aren't unemployed, but you still might not have a job?



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Matt from CT

08-01-2006 12:59:47




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 Not quite right on unemployment... in reply to Easy1, 08-01-2006 10:19:59  
Even if you're not collecting any longer, you're still "unemployed" as long as you're actually looking...however the statistics guys figure that out in the polls.

If you say something smart-alec like, "Yeah, I quit looking because there's nothing out there..." then you're not unemployed since you took yourself out of the labor market.

There's other anamolies hard to account for to make a strict apples-to-apples comparison.

For example, we have another million or so in prison today than 30 years ago. So they're not out looking for work.

On the other hand, we've trimmed the Military by a million or so over the last 30 years. So a bunch of guys who used to go in the service are out and looking. Or in jail. ;)

Oh so many ways to try and slice and dice your way through these statistics!

I can say this: My personal use of gas is down somewhat, especially for recreation. My spending on other "luxuries" is off quite a bit.

The *one* thing helping the U.S. a lot right now is partly from company cost-savings over the last 20 years, and partly from workers rolling over for the most part and being to scared to ask for raises: In 2004, U.S. corporations sat on more cold, hard cash reserves...even adjusted for inflation...than any time in U.S. history.

While consumers have been running credit through the roof, the corporations have been saving their profits. Economists where scratching their heads trying to figure out why...was there nothing out there the companies wanted to invest in? Since cash usually doesn't earn much interest.

Along with the Gov't printing money in the form of the national debt, companies have been able to dig into deep pockets to keep buying at high prices rather than stop spending.

Matt

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Easy1

08-01-2006 18:43:43




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 Re: Not quite right on unemployment... in reply to Matt from CT, 08-01-2006 12:59:47  
I know here in Michigan, you aren't counted as unemployed unless you register with the unemployment folks. Very few do and fewer stay registered - ya have to go every month. If you don't you are no longer a statistic. A lot of people are now in the underground economy - working for cash, hustling to keep food on the table, but invisible to our government. Which prefers that since they aren't going to do anything for them anyway. We are getting more like the 3rd world.

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old

08-01-2006 09:52:37




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 Re: Anyone else out there broke in reply to IH2444, 08-01-2006 09:26:54  
That might be true but its also true in thoery that a bumble bee can't fly. So to me and a good number of other people I think some thing is rotten in denmark LOL as the old saying goes. I do know that the gas prices sure are hurting a lot of people and I'm one of them



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Keith-OR

08-01-2006 08:45:35




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 Re: Anyone else out there broke in reply to Jrry, 08-01-2006 06:52:13  
Broke, what's that? Have to have a few extra bucks in the first place to be broke. With a daughter 6 and a 20 yr old son with a handi-cap who can even have the pleasure of being broke.:>(

And price of gas, over $3.00 gal and price of parts, we're so broke can't even pay attention!!

If I two nickles to rub together, I sit up all night and guard them. :>(

Keith & Shawn



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Steven@AZ

08-01-2006 08:17:19




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 Re: Anyone else out there broke in reply to Jrry, 08-01-2006 06:52:13  
Don't feel bad, my wife and I both have full time jobs and minimal expenses - still broke. Jobs just don't pay enough to keep up with $3 fuel and $250,000 houses.

I'll just end with that and not go into specifics...



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26Red

08-01-2006 10:24:59




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 Re: Anyone else out there broke in reply to Steven@AZ, 08-01-2006 08:17:19  
I hear ya on that one... house prices are crazy, and you can"t move out much farther because $3 gas makes it more expensive...got my place for sale, and the girlfriend has hers for sale also- can"t burn the candle at both ends forever...



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dhermesc

08-01-2006 08:05:10




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 Re: Anyone else out there broke in reply to Jrry, 08-01-2006 06:52:13  
Try having medical bills that average over $100K a year for several years straight, combine that with a high deductable and a couple bills that insurance won't cover and any extra money you might have is gone. Even with good BCBS coverage my out of pocket runs over $10K a year before I even count missed work or travel expenses.



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dej(JED)

08-01-2006 07:49:41




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 Re: Anyone else out there broke in reply to Jrry, 08-01-2006 06:52:13  
About 3 mths ago I would have agreed with you guys, but here in Western, Pa. it has been a very strong year for old iron. I guess I better qualify that with a knock on wood comment though.
The last year or so has been as you all described. I always base my selling price strictly on my costs though and I don't look for big bucks. An old IH C will bring about $1500, an H does about $1250 and the old M's do about $1500 for a decent one. What has really been strange is the amount of really cheap tractors for sell this year. I am going back to people asking say $2500 for a 560 D and making an offer of $1200 and getting it. I can buy running H's, C's and M's for around $600 to $800. Well before I start to sound like a smart a$$, I will simply say I hope it picks up for you..... .....

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IH2444

08-01-2006 07:45:08




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 Re: Anyone else out there broke in reply to Jrry, 08-01-2006 06:52:13  
Of course I am broke, I am married.



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RustyFarmall

08-01-2006 06:58:25




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 Re: Anyone else out there broke in reply to Jrry, 08-01-2006 06:52:13  
You're not the only one, tractors aren't selling, old parts and reproduction new parts aren't selling, and because new and used farm machinery isn't selling, the trucking sideline is settling into the weeds. Blame it all on these ridiculously high fuel prices.



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Jrry

08-01-2006 07:03:11




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 Re: Anyone else out there broke in reply to RustyFarmall, 08-01-2006 06:58:25  
A person can't even buy high and sell low now a days. LOL



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Rauville

08-01-2006 07:16:15




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 Re: Anyone else out there broke in reply to Jrry, 08-01-2006 07:03:11  
Like the old storekeeper said: "The only way you can do business now, is buy cheap...and sell below cost"!



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Jrry

08-01-2006 07:22:02




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 Re: Anyone else out there broke in reply to Rauville, 08-01-2006 07:16:15  
and sell in volume.



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Ken Macfarlane

08-01-2006 10:15:25




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 Re: Anyone else out there broke in reply to Jrry, 08-01-2006 07:22:02  
Not to be a downer but we are not in too bad debt right now but we started looking to get a car with better gas mileage. Unfortunatley the wife wants to keep the old car too which completely negates any gas savings. We spend about 230$/mon on gas now, hoping to cut it to 130-140$.



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26Red

08-01-2006 10:27:19




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 Re: Anyone else out there broke in reply to Ken Macfarlane, 08-01-2006 10:15:25  
It's still cheaper than a new car payment... unless your current car is in need of many repairs...



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Easy1

08-01-2006 10:23:01




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 Re: Anyone else out there broke in reply to Ken Macfarlane, 08-01-2006 10:15:25  
I am up to 500+ Maybe 600+ this month:(((((



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Hoosier JD

08-01-2006 18:17:05




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 Re: Anyone else out there broke in reply to Easy1, 08-01-2006 10:23:01  
One outta college, one is a Junior in college, one is seven, one is 5..... love em all and believe it or not..... ..I'm not broke! Just financially embarrassed! Mike



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