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Tractor Shed and Shop Only Slight O.T.

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Larry Hardesty

04-08-2006 15:40:27




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I have spent quite a bit of time reviewing the various entries on YT on machine sheds (pole and steel) and have a lot of good information. Thanks folks.

Still, I have questions am looking for any further advice anyone wants to offer. Also, some previous advice/information, of course, may not apply to this part of the country and some perhaps dated.

I am in Nebraska and thinking of a 40 feet by 70 to 75 feet machine shed/shop of my tractors (mostly Farmalls). Looked some at pole buildings (Morton, Wicks, Lester, Cleary, Menards, etc.) and some all steel (Sentinal, Olympia, Heritage, etc.) Looks like a ton of variables to consider between the two types and within the two types-- so looking for any help. As always, finances are not infinite.

Some of the quick and dirty quotes for barebones steel not all that different from pole barn, but I have not priced building of the steel buildings. Any big differences in construction price?

Any good or bad experienes with these companies?
I am kind of leaning towards Wicks since looks like reasonable price and the local rep has a good reputation. Morton is pretty pricy and still working on quote from Cleary, which is also local. Steel companies look like they send the materials and then one is on his own to get it up.

Thinking about 24 x 40 shop area with 5-6" cement floor. Any recommendations as to ground covering for rest of area: crush rock, crushed concrete, gravel, dirt, vapor barrier, etc.?

What about insulation in the shop area. Any recommendations and do I need to worry about condensation?

The local code is 90 mph wind, 25 pounds snow, and C exposure. Any reasons to go heavier?

Steel guage for Wicks is 29. Any reason to go for heavier?

Looks like poles (bay size) are 10' apart? Is this adequate?

Poured footings are 8" x 18" I cannot tell from the drawings of the laminated columns go into the ground or are just connected to the footings? There is a 50 warranty on decay and insect damage to the structural columns. Any experience with pole rotting in a few years? And anything I should look to do to prevent rotting?

Interior height is 14'4" I am having 2 12x14 steel doors (one at each end). The one in the shop area will be insulated. No sliding doors.

Plan on two solid walk in doors and two or three windows. Might consider some type of wall light in the storage area, but probably not any skylight.

Wiring, lighting, and heating are not included in the costs, and that brings in a whole host of additional variables (and costs).

Looks there is a lot of good informaiton on the site for those, and I may be back with questions in these areas.

Well, any thoughts welcome...and any questions I need to be asking and have not???? I don't put $$$$$$ into a machine shed/shop everyday so trying to it as close to right the first time as I can, and I appreciate help from those who have much more experience than I do.

thanks in advance.

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RickL

04-09-2006 08:44:58




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 Re: Tractor Shed and Shop Only Slight O.T. in reply to Larry Hardesty, 04-08-2006 15:40:27  
You make sure you pricing apples to apples,say Morton is higher maybe so but you later mention buildings being ten foot spans,all my Mortons are 7.5ft centers with poles,so that would make qiute difference. If you are insulating definetely go with soffits on the building will be much better in long run and eleimanate alot of the moisture problems



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Larry Hardesty

04-09-2006 09:59:12




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 Re: Tractor Shed and Shop Only Slight O.T. in reply to RickL, 04-09-2006 08:44:58  
Ricki, Thanks for the heads up. Lots of variables and manufacturer tells only their story.



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MarkB_MI

04-09-2006 05:43:13




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 Re: Tractor Shed and Shop Only Slight O.T. in reply to Larry Hardesty, 04-08-2006 15:40:27  
Since you're in Nebraska, I suggest you get a quote from a Chief Industries building distributor. They are based in Grand Island and manufacture both post frame and all-steel buildings. They make a very high-quality product.



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Larry Hardesty

04-09-2006 10:01:35




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 Re: Tractor Shed and Shop Only Slight O.T. in reply to MarkB_MI, 04-09-2006 05:43:13  
MarkB. They have a place right here in Kearney. I went to them to get a price almost a year ago. They never got back to me. I figured they were not anxious for my business. I can give them another try.



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Blackhole49

04-09-2006 05:33:34




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 Re: Tractor Shed and Shop Only Slight O.T. in reply to Larry Hardesty, 04-08-2006 15:40:27  
I have 2 bldgs. One with a 8' ceiling and one with a 12' ceiling. Both have a sliding door for one opening. You may not need a 14' high opening now, but down the road you might. You can't get it with a rollup door on a 14' bldg. With proper planning, you can with a slider.



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Larry Hardesty

04-09-2006 10:05:35




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 Re: Tractor Shed and Shop Only Slight O.T. in reply to Blackhole49, 04-09-2006 05:33:34  
Blackhole49,
Trouble with sliders in this part of the country is one can do fair amount of digging of snow to get them open in the winter.

Thanks, Larry



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BUDD

04-09-2006 04:29:12




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 Re: Tractor Shed and Shop Only Slight O.T. in reply to Larry Hardesty, 04-08-2006 15:40:27  
Just my two pennys worth. Are you sure your overhead doors will be big enough?

BUDD



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Larry Hardesty

04-09-2006 10:08:55




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 Re: Tractor Shed and Shop Only Slight O.T. in reply to BUDD, 04-09-2006 04:29:12  
Budd, What is definitely not big enough is the pocketbook but I probably I will wish that both the doors and the building were bigger by the time I am done. I will recheck on the doors.
Thanks, Larry



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VADAVE

04-09-2006 03:48:03




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 Re: Tractor Shed and Shop Only Slight O.T. in reply to Larry Hardesty, 04-08-2006 15:40:27  
Larry go to the local bookstore and purchase "Practical Farm Buildings". It is still in print and will tell you all you need to know about designing a building.
Purchase a post hole digger.
Visit the local power/telephone company and get their USED poles.
Find and visit the local sawmill and the local truss builder.
Design and build your own building. You could even build your own trusses.
Then be proud of your accomplishment.

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Larry Hardesty

04-09-2006 10:19:37




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 Re: Tractor Shed and Shop Only Slight O.T. in reply to VADAVE, 04-09-2006 03:48:03  
VADAVE, All good ideas and I do have the posthole digger, and I will get the book... if nothing else to help me plan the building. However, sounds like a lot of time and I could end up owing the relatives and neighbors more work time than I will ever get paid back.

Thanks
Larry



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Dean Barker

04-08-2006 21:11:00




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 Re: Tractor Shed and Shop Only Slight O.T. in reply to Larry Hardesty, 04-08-2006 15:40:27  
I think you are right; Morton is getting pretty pricy. I have heard that they will come down if you give them your price and walk away. Lay down a vapor barrier (plastic) under whatever floor you put down and it will keep the building from sweating if you don't insulate it. Don't forget to get a quote for materials from your local lumber yard. Ask your neighbors to help you put it up. You'll probably have more help than you'll need. Make sure your doors are wide and tall enough to get your stuff in and out.

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Larry Hardesty

04-09-2006 10:59:41




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 Re: Tractor Shed and Shop Only Slight O.T. in reply to Dean Barker, 04-08-2006 21:11:00  
Dean, Thanks. Sometimes hard to sort out prices. Morton wanted to price a turnkey building so with electrical and insulation it got pretty high. I think by in large they have good looking buildings and generally people are happy with them. However, there is a price. Would you put insulation under the cement? In addition to the vapor barrier? I don't have big farm equipment, just old tractors. I was thinking 14 high and 12 wide for slide up doors just incase I ever got a mobile home...think that is adequate? I got several quotes. Materials range from $15,000 plus to $22,000 plus but lots of variables within. Wicks will do 40 x 70 with two garage doors, two walk in doors, and three windows and 24 x 40 cement 5" slab for $32,000 plus. No insulation, heat, electricity, etc, and I gotta decide what to to about insulation, heating, lighting, and electricity, in addition to the basic building. Morton a year ago was more like $54,000 for turnkey building but then they do their poles closer together, as someone has already noted. I have other prices inbetween. Thanks, Larry

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george md

04-08-2006 20:43:55




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 Re: Tractor Shed and Shop Only Slight O.T. in reply to Larry Hardesty, 04-08-2006 15:40:27  
Larry,

I can't help with steel buildings because I built mine out of block , don't have to worry about fire when cutting and welding . I don't know what you plan on having on the floor
but 4" will carry about anything you can get in a building that size. My floor is 4" and I have had many loaded tandem trucks on it also I have a customer with a 977L cat and he has yet to break up the floor .

george

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Larry hardesty

04-09-2006 11:05:44




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 Re: Tractor Shed and Shop Only Slight O.T. in reply to george md, 04-08-2006 20:43:55  
I sat down with a block layer last summer and priced out a block building. Again comparing apples and tomatoes but did not seem like a lot of different in price...actually closer to Morton Building price than low end. What kind of reinforcement did you use in your concrete and what was the strength of the concrete? Thanks, Larry



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george md

04-09-2006 13:02:49




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 Re: Tractor Shed and Shop Only Slight O.T. in reply to Larry hardesty, 04-09-2006 11:05:44  
Larry,

If I remember it was 6 bag mix and I did not put in any bar or mesh . Couldn't afford it then , that was more than 35 years ago .Later I built a bigger building for machine shop but used it for truck
shop untill I got all the machinery in , it's also
4" with no bar or mesh and no trouble . Have a 3"
horizontal boring mill and a 26 " swing lathe plus all the other things .

george

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Larry Hardesty

04-09-2006 13:51:55




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 Re: Tractor Shed and Shop Only Slight O.T. in reply to george md , 04-09-2006 13:02:49  
George, Interesting. You must have done something pretty right...maybe some good site preparation with firm foundation underneath. Thanks for the information.
Larry



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Larry Hardesty

04-09-2006 13:46:19




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 Re: Tractor Shed and Shop Only Slight O.T. in reply to george md , 04-09-2006 13:02:49  
George, Interesting. You must have done something pretty right...maybe some good site preparation with firm foundation underneath. Thanks for the information.
Larry



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Dachshund

04-08-2006 17:19:53




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 Re: Tractor Shed and Shop Only Slight O.T. in reply to Larry Hardesty, 04-08-2006 15:40:27  
Sounds like you are in Lancaster County! I'm down here in Johnson County and don't have the zoning/code rules you have (yet). Over kill is USUALLY better in the long run.



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Larry Hardesty

04-08-2006 17:45:27




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 Re: Tractor Shed and Shop Only Slight O.T. in reply to Dachshund, 04-08-2006 17:19:53  
In Buffalo County but within two mile limit (by about ten feet)of Kearney city limits so have to get a building permit and abide by city code. Other than some additional cost for the permit, but best to at least meet city code.



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Formerly PaMike

04-08-2006 17:26:21




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 Re: Tractor Shed and Shop Only Slight O.T. in reply to Dachshund, 04-08-2006 17:19:53  
I am in Lancaster COunty PA!!! Its time to move! This building code is killing us. We spent $10,000 on a building inspector to inspect a 50 x 100 block building. That 10,000 doesnt even include all the changes we had to make, like the 36" thick block fire wall between the new and old building... My coworker wanted to build a 16 x 20 shed on his property. If it had a foundation the plans need stamped by a cert engineer. If the shed doesnt have a foundation it needs to be build to APA specs....Its crazy

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