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to flush or not to flush

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Rich Iowa

03-11-2006 04:39:04




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I"ve got a few extra bucks coming in and I"d like to take care of my tranny while I can. I"ve heard some folks say flush the tranny, others say don"t flush. Can someone tell me why I should or shouldn"t flush? Here"s what I plan on doing, I plan on replacing the Mercron/DexronIII with DexronV ATF and upgrading the torque converter to something heavier than stock, and possibly adding a deep oil pan. I plan on towing with the truck, and want to make sure the tranny will keep working for a long time. What should I look for in a replacement torque converter? Thanks for any help, and sorry for being long winded. Rich

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Mark - IN.

03-11-2006 06:34:33




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 Re: to flush or not to flush in reply to Rich Iowa, 03-11-2006 04:39:04  
The theory of why not to flush is because it will knock stuff lose and it will end up in places that will cause damage (passages, really fill the filter, etc). And I'd say that certainly is possible, and a good bet from experience.

My one experience with flushing is that I'd surprised everyone one by taking a 3 day weekend, and came home early. On the way home off the toll road I stopped at the "Jiffy Lube" for just a quick oil change so I didn't have to crawl under it. That's all I wanted. But the Jiffy Lube computer said with like 160K miles, should get a flush, and..., and... I went from like $39.95 on the A/T Cummins to like $159.95 real quick, but I wasn't crawling under it on my 3 day weekend. I got a free radiator out of it on the 160K '96 Dodge, because they broke one of the cooling line fittings off for the trans at the radiator. Just had to sit there an extra 4 hours waiting for a new radiator to show up.

About a month later I noticed a different whining sound to the trans, so decided to just pickup a new filter and change it as always do anyway. When I pulled the pan, the magnet that catches metal particals looked like nothing I've ever seen before, but thankfully it did it's thing. Was a ton of metal particals that it caught. You couldn't even tell that it was a magnet until I wiped those particals off. And after setting a good 1/2 hour, when I took the filter down, it was like a dam broke open with all of the fluid finally draining down. The filter was pretty clogged.

My point? If you have it flushed, so be it. It's probably a good idea. Don't forget to change the filter and clean the insides too, AFTERWARDS. Much of that crap being flushed aint going to get flushed out, it will just get broken loose and flushed into at least the filter. That was my one and only flushing experience. That Dodge has 240K on it and still runs good, and pretty much still looks good.

No more "Jiffy Lube" for a quick anything on the fly for me either. Like 3 out of 3 times, they broke something. Radiator, stripped 2 lug nuts rotating tires that had 10K on them and couldn't get them off, and I forget what the other was. But... no more Jiffy Lube, they're just too expensive in the long run, for me.

Mark

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Bob

03-11-2006 19:20:06




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 Re: to flush or not to flush in reply to Mark - IN., 03-11-2006 06:34:33  
I think you are misdirecting the blame.

A Dodge slushbox behind a Cummins can make all the metal paticles it needs without any help from Jiffy Lube.

If it got to 160K BEFORE doing this, you were lucky.

I know a guy who works in a Dodge parts department, and some years back they were nearly crowded out of their parts department by all the plastic "coffins" containing either rebuilt Dodge slushboxes, or cores.

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Mark - IN.

03-11-2006 21:15:14




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 Re: to flush or not to flush in reply to Bob, 03-11-2006 19:20:06  
Bob, you'll never hear me defend a Dodge automatic transmission. The one in my '02 got rebuilt at 24 or 25K.

I guess my biggest point was that if are going to flush a tranny, something that I've never had done before...but have always had manuals too, until these Cummins', from my experience, so be it, just make sure to pull the pan and change the filter right afterwards. I don't care whom makes it, that junk's gonna break loose and go somewhere, and not necessarily out the flush hoses where you'd like it to go. My filter was clogged, and I've changed my filters before, never clogged like that.

As a preventative caution, what's a filter cost? Not much. More time than anything. Flushing it? OK, but do step two, pull the pan and change the filter too.

Mark

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Bob

03-12-2006 00:14:53




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 Re: to flush or not to flush in reply to Mark - IN., 03-11-2006 21:15:14  
Yes, I agree with you 100% on that. I can't believe the folks that will argue that a filter change isn't needed after a flush. The cost of a filter is so insignificant compared to a tranny why would anyone NOT replace it?



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Mark - IN.

03-11-2006 06:46:30




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 Re: to flush or not to flush in reply to Mark - IN., 03-11-2006 06:34:33  
Now I remember Jiffy Lube's 3rd. Told me they needed to replace the rear seal on the trans years ago, it leaked. I park on clean concrete, never a single drop, and never seen a drop hanging while under it, and told them so. They said was the kind of leak that only occured when traveling, so wouldn't be any drips.

Mmm Hmm. Strike 3 or 3. Adios amigos and vios condeetos Jiffy Lube.

Mark



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John M

03-11-2006 06:30:30




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 Re: to flush or not to flush in reply to Rich Iowa, 03-11-2006 04:39:04  
What kind of truck are yout talking about?



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Rich Iowa

03-11-2006 18:40:38




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 Re: to flush or not to flush in reply to John M, 03-11-2006 06:30:30  
Sorry, it"s a 1996 Ford F250, 7.3L Powerstroke diesel with the E4OD trans.



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John M

03-12-2006 06:23:45




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 Re: to flush or not to flush in reply to Rich Iowa, 03-11-2006 18:40:38  
Dont know on the E4OD but on the 4R100 they say NO to the new V tranny fluid,so I wouldnt take any chances on it in the E4OD.It loosens the glue that hold the clutchs together inside.I normally dont recommend this,but you should check out thedieselstop.com or superdutydiesel.com.



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THEkyroastnear

03-11-2006 04:57:21




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 Re: to flush or not to flush in reply to Rich Iowa, 03-11-2006 04:39:04  
i believe it pays to service a trans. just as one would change oil in a engine. not as often though mine is on a 50-k. schedule seems to work for me have lost 2 trans. along the yrs. one of those was a used juncker when installed still ran it about 4 yrs.



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