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Deere 5303 vs Kubota M6040F or M5700

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Charles Branch

03-01-2006 16:49:19




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I am looking for a tractor with about 55 PTO HP with a front end loader. The bucket needs to be quickly replaceable with a grapple rake. I will be using it for cleaning up after hardwood cutting and preparing a new pasture. I was looking at a JD 5303 with a 512 loader, but recently looked at the Kubotas. I really like the M6040F design--especially the standard quick change bucket. Opinions would be welcome. Any ideas on what I should expect to pay would also be helpful.

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Charles Branchbranch@aubu

03-02-2006 11:23:53




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 Re: Deere 5303 vs Kubota M6040F or M5700 in reply to Charles Branch, 03-01-2006 16:49:19  
Thanks for all the very useful suggestions. I thought I had narrowed my list, but now it's back to the drawing board. I had started out thinking about adding a loader to my Deere 1020, but was advised not to do that. That has been one reliable and powerful little tractor, and I think maybe it was built before they invented plastic. :) Maybe I should start looking again at used tractors.



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buickanddeere

03-02-2006 10:31:34




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 Re: Deere 5303 vs Kubota M6040F or M5700 in reply to Charles Branch, 03-01-2006 16:49:19  
As previously stated the 5003 Deere is for those who are shopping price only and don't care about function. They are ok for pto loads but any serious tractor now is M4WD or stay at home in the house. Avoid the Deere 5000 & 1st half of the 5000 ten series like the plague. As previously stated Deere made a huge mistake retiring the Manheim built 20,30,40,50 & 55 series tractors in 1990. And replacing them with oversize light weight garden tractors. The 5105 and the otherwise identical but "turned up" 5205 in M4WD is were to look. They are beefier than the 5000, ten, twenty & twenty-five series. Cheaper too. Mother Deere also makes loaders cheapskate 512, OK 522 and farmer "resistant" 542 for the 5000 series. I don't know why anyone would purchase the "low price at the expense of everything else" model 512 loader? It doesn't even have the torque tube to prevent the twisting somebody mentioned.

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Luke S

03-02-2006 07:49:02




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 Re: Deere 5303 vs Kubota M6040F or M5700 in reply to Charles Branch, 03-01-2006 16:49:19  
I've had both. A JD 5400, a JD 5210, A nd recently we got rid of those and have tried the Kubota's. I was one of those that thought if it wasn't green it was junk. Then I became best friends with a Kubota dealer. We bought three of them and have never looked back. Haven't done a thing to any one of em besides change oil and filters. Great machines, just as good as Deere or better in some cases. I used to bleed green but then I opened my eyes and realized there was more out there than mother deere.

Kelly, you are right about the BushHog loader. I have an M346 on my M4700 Kubota and it is a great combo.

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ben brown

03-02-2006 06:06:21




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 Re: Deere 5303 vs Kubota M6040F or M5700 in reply to Charles Branch, 03-01-2006 16:49:19  
my 2 cents the m6800 has a little 11 inch clutch. worthless. the last tractor i would buy would be a kubota. i can put a clutch in a m6800 blind folded, been through transmission in one. parts are always 3 days and seem to be higher then any other brand. i know some well say they the best compact on the market. for my money any thing but a kubota. i sorta like the looks of the ford famall tractor. i have a 1250 MF compact like it real well. like i said just my 2 cents.

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Jerry/MT

03-01-2006 20:46:58




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 Re: Deere 5303 vs Kubota M6040F or M5700 in reply to Charles Branch, 03-01-2006 16:49:19  
Make sure you pick the right tractor for your job. You can get good, reliable, quick attach loaders from any of the loader manufacturers that have quick attach buckets and other quick attach attachments. Don't think you have to buy the JD or Kubota loaders.



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colekicker

03-01-2006 20:18:44




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 CHALLENGE Re: Deere 5303 vs Kubota M6040F or M570 in reply to Charles Branch, 03-01-2006 16:49:19  
Here is the challenge. I know lots of people think that because its green its made of gold. And others think that the Kubota is that way also. I challenge you to go to a Deere dealer, raise the loader approx 2 feet in the air, and stand on one side. See what happens to the loader frame on the Deere. I don't think you will be impressed. If you look at the Kubota, I believe that they have a bar that connects each side of the loader mounts together, just above the hood. This is to help correct the problem that Deere has. Also, look at the number of bolts that hold the loader onto the tractor.

I strongly suggest you look at both the New Holland and Farmall compacts. You will find that these are much more serviceable and built better that the other two brands.

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Jonfarmer

03-01-2006 18:08:19




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 Re: Deere 5303 vs Kubota M6040F or M5700 in reply to Charles Branch, 03-01-2006 16:49:19  
Kubota seems to build nice tractors, and are made in Japan. The 5003 series is only availible in 2wd, those are made in India. The John Deere 5205 is also an economy tractor, and 4wd is availible for just a few thousand more. I think your going to be kicking yourself for buying a 2wd loader tractor for forestry work, especially when 4wd is only about $5,000 more. Forestry jobs and landing sites often get muddy, and I'm sure you'd like to be able to pick up big mouthfulls of brush with your grapple and just be able to drive darn near anywhere to deposit it, I got a 2wd and I know how flusterating it is to pick up something, and then be stuck because it transfered weight off the rear. The 4wd is worth the extra coin in my opinion, both in alot of increased capability, and the tractor will retain a whole lot more resale value. The John Deere 5205 is 50hp and it is made in the USA. If you did get the 5205 4wd with a loader and grapple, it would probably cost around $30-$35,000.

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Kelly Campbell

03-01-2006 17:49:55




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 Re: Deere 5303 vs Kubota M6040F or M5700 in reply to Charles Branch, 03-01-2006 16:49:19  
I've got a Kubota MX5000, which is 4wd, though its a small tractor than your looking at, I must say that its stout for what it'll do. Mines a 50hp unit, its easy to service and I've not had one iota of a problem with it. We have a Bush Hog QT FEL on it. It's easy to get on and off, just pull one pin and undo two bolts and the FEL unit is off of the tractor. Changing buckets is a breese as well, pull two pins, use loader to drop bucket and got next attachment, pick up, pop pins back in and roll...makes life so nice...

Hope this helps...

Kelly

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Blue guy

03-01-2006 17:08:50




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 Re: Deere 5303 vs Kubota M6040F or M5700 in reply to Charles Branch, 03-01-2006 16:49:19  
I'm not to familiar with the JD 5303. I think Kubota has a pretty nice tractor in that horsepower range you are looking at. Kubota's front end loaders are SWEEEEET. They hookup easy and operate really well. Not sure if that size Kubota has wet brakes, but they are a must have on a tractor that size.

Kubota is supposed to be coming out with some newer models with direct injected motors. So if I were buying new I would wait to see what those tractors were going to be like.

The local Kubota dealer here said he sold more M6800 than any other. So if resale is possible down the road you might want to consider one that is in high demand.

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wolfman

03-01-2006 17:00:12




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 Re: Deere 5303 vs Kubota M6040F or M5700 in reply to Charles Branch, 03-01-2006 16:49:19  
Deere also has a 520 loader which ,I think, is quick attach. Neighbor recently bought a new 5303 & loader for $18,000 no trade. Priced a new 55 hp Mahindra at 13,200 and QA loader around $4000 or a little over.



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Mark

03-01-2006 17:30:18




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 Re: Deere 5303 vs Kubota M6040F or M5700 in reply to wolfman, 03-01-2006 17:00:12  
I would advise that you look hard at a JD 5320 (used) or the newer 5325 if you want a Deere. The difference between it and the 5303 or 5305 is quite a bit.

I bought a new 5320 4WD and a 541 loader last spring. The 5325 came out about the time I bought the 5320...maybe I should have waited..tough call. The 5320 has a 3 cylinder with wet sleeves, the 5325 has 5 cylinders and in block cylinders..it also has more hydraulic pump capacity. I haven't seen the need for more pump capacity yet..but the newer model has it.

The 541 loader has been changed a bit too..on mine the brace falls right at your headlight level and that sucks..the newer model has this brace lowered to fix that. Either way, it is a quick change loader...changing buckets, I cannot comment on..mine will never come off as I have no need to remove it.

The tractor is advertised at 55 PTO horses, 64 engine...mine dyno'd 58 at the PTO before they delivered it. Complaints? Yeah, I have a couple: For one the steering ratio is too slow...make lots of turns on the wheel lock to lock. Second, it's too light...I think it supposedly weighs 5500 give or take a couple hundred. 7000 wouldn't be too much and 7500 about right. Last, spring for the creeper gears....when I put it in low gear, I want pure Bulldog...well, this one isn't. I don't need a bigger tractor in size if that was the case, I'd spring for 75 TO horse 5520-5525..you get more weight and more ponies and i like lots of ponies! But for my uses, a tractor that big is unhandy. That doesn't mean they couldn't put more iron in the 55 horse model SIZE tractor and a bigger engine..but they don't. I won't knock a Kubota, I think they are good machine. I just happened to have a great JD dealer nearby and went with green. Oh yeah, I paid $32,000 for tractor and loader, grill guard and weight platform up front, 9 speed synch shuttle transmission and tires loaded. Too much..hell yes, it's always too much!

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Mike M

03-02-2006 04:45:46




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 Re: Deere 5303 vs Kubota M6040F or M5700 in reply to Mark , 03-01-2006 17:30:18  
Very sad that the tractors are made like cars. Plastic everywhere,even the radiator tanks. This is not desired on a loader tractor like you said, as you need that weight built in !



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JDknut

03-02-2006 04:05:58




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 Re: Deere 5303 vs Kubota M6040F or M5700 in reply to Mark , 03-01-2006 17:30:18  
There is another way. Go used. I have a Deere tractor in that size range, a 1983 Deere 2350 MFWD, with a new 541 self-leveling loader. I bought it used (at a New Holland dealer, no less) and went thru it, clutch, inframe, tires, MFWD, ROPS, wiring, added the loader, etc, and have a decent tractor for about half the price of the equivalent new one. And a better and heavier tractor since the older Deere is built of about 3000 lbs more iron then the same HP size newer one (5320) and has a four cylinder engine with wet sleeves. And the iron is where you want it, in the chassis, not in dead weights. The newer Deeres are lighter for the same HP than the older ones. And for loader service, MFWD is the ONLY way to go. You get a full bucket on a two wheeler and you just ain't a goin' nowhars. You might have to wait a while unitl just the right one comes along at the right price, but it will be worth it. just my $0.02.

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