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Down to the details on pole barn for farm use

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Mark2

04-28-2005 07:53:10




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Working out the details on my pole barn, would like to hear from owners or builders on some detailed questions

40 x 64 x 14....approx $22,000 installed no concrete, 1" overhang, 2 doors, windows in front (in Ohio)

Pretty set on ridge light....do you recommend also a vent in the rigde light or just the light? If I went with under eave light, it would be on the north...is this OK?

What is the best and most economical roof insulation or vapor barrier? The foam insulation sheets? Or the aluminum bubble wrap in rolls?

Some 6x6 poles are 28 feet long...some builders plan to use 3 ply laminated 2 x 6...some dont...hear it may be hard to get long poles that are straight? Any experience on this? Is it worth the extra for laminated posts?

Is there any value to 2x4 purlins every 2 feet or 2x6 purlins every 3 feet.

Is it typical to pay sales tax in ohio on the barn used for farm use?

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krharris

04-29-2005 11:22:04




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 Re: Down to the details on pole barn for farm use in reply to Mark2, 04-28-2005 07:53:10  
Just bought a 30x60x18 with a 12' lean-to across the from with 2 10x14 roll up doors ans 2 walk doors with roof insulation for $15,000. I am putting it up myself. Give Hansen Pole buildings a call. 1-866-200-9657. Talk to Mike



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Bill in NorthCentral PA

04-29-2005 05:47:20




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 Re: Down to the details on pole barn for farm use in reply to Mark2, 04-28-2005 07:53:10  
Mark2, I have built somewhere around $500,000 in post frame structures, and if the price is erected, it does not sound bad. The laminated poles are fine - not a problem assuming that they are fastened together well. Light Panels - any seam can leak. Having said this, I would install them in the roof - ONLY if they are polycarbonate - not fiberglass.
These are available in the traditional white or a clear that is clear as glass - they are tough. I had a wind storm blow a loose panel up against a 6x6 and bent completely around it - no damage whatsoever. The company that started making them was called SunSky - great stuff - fasten per the manufacturer"s recommendations.

2x4 purlin spacing 30" on center, max and usual - but I often used 24" if my insulating material was a 2" on center product such as 4x8 rigid insulation. The foil bubble wrap works well for an anti-condensate material - if heating, I would apply a ceiling to the bottom chord of the trusses. The trusses need to be designed for this however.

Any questions, please ask.

Good Luck,

Bill

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J.C. IN AZ.

04-28-2005 21:31:07




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 Re: Down to the details on pole barn for farm use in reply to Mark2, 04-28-2005 07:53:10  
I have built numerous Sheds using Stick Built Poles such as - all PT Material, 2x6/2x8/2x6 Laminated poles. Hold back the 2x8 so only 1 1/2 "Is extended beyond the 2x6. this give you a "Tongue " to butt the Sidewall Nailers to. Use 2x6 S4S Lumber for Sidewall Nailers. The 2x8 Center of the Laminated Pole I cut at the top same as the Bottom chord of your Truss Ceiling Height. Set the Tail end of the Truss down in this "Pocket" Bolt with Two 1/2" Bolts and large Washers, Install a Knee Brace if wanted. I usually did not use Knee Braces for Bldgs of 10'Heighth or less. Set the poles on a 6" Concrete Pad in the bottom of the hole. "Do Not Pour Concrete around the Pole. Back fill with well drained Earth and tamp real Good. No Plastic in the Roof! An Continous Ridge Vent or leave out the Ridge Seal altogether will work. Foam Panels with Poly on bottom side and Alum. Foil on the top side for Roof Insul. 2x4 S4S on 24" CC. for Roof Purlins. 2x6 S4S on 30" Approx. CC. for Side Walls. What ever you do, do not over nail the Roof and Side Wall steel. It will spread and you will have a Mess. Above all-Measure-Measure-Measure! Your Steel Supplier should be able to furnish all the Trims and Accessories you will need.

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Rander

04-28-2005 20:40:22




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 Re: Down to the details on pole barn for farm use in reply to Mark2, 04-28-2005 07:53:10  
Mark2;
I don"t post on this forum regularly but I"ve built a couple of pole buildings and had another built for me and did a lot of research on them. I"m in Louisiana but I don"t expect the issues are much different than Ohio.

I would not go with ridge light if you mean to use plastic or fiberglass panels. They won"t hold up in the weather very long. When they fail they either split along a roll or fold line or pop around a nail head. They get dirty and dull and fairly soon are a pain to clean. Side lights along a north wall are OK, especially if that"s the only other place. You won"t get as much sun on the north side and if you don"t do a tight job you"ll get cold air blowing around it in the winter.

For those long poles I am assuming you need pressure treated wood in ground. Finding good structural solid wood PT that long is difficult. Over the last several years I have become aware of how low the quality of a lot of PT solid wood I"ve found. I"d recommend laminated triple 2X6"s. You can use PT for the part that is in ground and when the get above ground you can use regular wood if it is not exposed to the weather. I have a Morton barn built about 8 years ago that way and it has stood up to at least 3 named tropical storms without any problems. Glulams would be about your strongest option. I"m not sure if glulams are available in PT now,(they weren"t when I built) but if they are I"ll bet they are expensive.

On all of my buildings we used 2x4 purlins on 2" centers. You use more screws or nails but you get a lot better roof hold down than with 2x6"s on 3" centers. (That"s an issue down here near the Gulf.) Also the roof flexes less in the wind and if you need to get on it for any reason.

Sorry, I can"t offer any experience with roof insulation; never used it. Hope this is some help. Good luck with your building.

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paul

04-28-2005 09:10:58




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 Re: Down to the details on pole barn for farm use in reply to Mark2, 04-28-2005 07:53:10  
Laminated is better wood these days.

Don"t like anything but tin on the roof, the "clear" stuff breaks down in the sun/hail long before the tin does.

--->Paul



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Gerald J.

04-28-2005 08:35:34




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 Re: Down to the details on pole barn for farm use in reply to Mark2, 04-28-2005 07:53:10  
Shop some more. Your price looks like a Morton. Others supply quite workable buildings for less.

I bought a Wick 51 x 70 x 16 with walk door, 20' split slider and opening for a 16x14 overhead door for $25,153 winter before last. I"ll put down concrete some time on parts of it.

You will need a ridge vent. Fiberglass panels have much shorter life than steel panels so they tend to die young.

Gerald J.

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Jay (ND)

04-28-2005 08:13:04




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 Re: Down to the details on pole barn for farm use in reply to Mark2, 04-28-2005 07:53:10  
I would go with the triple 2x6 - they are less likely to rot, stronger and less chances of splits.

Is that $22k erected? What kind of doors? Overheads? sliders? Are you planning on eventually making a shop out of this building?

I've been kicking around the idea of putting up a building myself, probably about that size. I'm thinking about erecting it myself - possibly attaching it to my present shop so I could have all my tools in one place. The first thing I have to do is bring in a lot of fill - I will probably do that this year. Even if I don't build a building, I could use the extra parking spots.

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Hound

04-28-2005 07:57:12




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 Re: Down to the details on pole barn for farm use in reply to Mark2, 04-28-2005 07:53:10  
Dust to dawn lights only advertise your shed, gas pumps, equip., etc at night, to the wrong type of folks. Save the utilities and go with a motion light. Hound



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