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Don Costello

12-19-2004 08:53:39




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I have 28 + or - acres that are in CRP. Each year I have hired out to brush hog the grass. I wish to purchase a tractor to do it myself. But I am a "City boy" and need help in knowing what size or horsepower of tractor I need to handle the task. Also, what size brush hog I would need. Thanks for your help

Don




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Don Costello

12-22-2004 09:57:38




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 Re: Tractor Size in reply to Don Costello, 12-19-2004 08:53:39  
Thanks for all the great info. I have a lot of time during the summer and I set my budget between $5 to 7K. The person at the USDA said the going rate for mowing in the area was $10 an acre but I had to pay $22 an acre. I've got around 7 years left in the second cycle of CRP so I think its time to get a tractor. Plus all the other things I can use it for around the farm. Thanks again for the info especially the PTO. Can anyone tell me what "SCV" stands for?

Thanks again, great sight

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novice

12-22-2004 07:13:38




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 Re: Tractor Size in reply to Don Costello, 12-19-2004 08:53:39  
I would get a tractor that could pull a 5 or 6ft Brush-Hog w/o problem-say 45 to 55 HP. I would not think a 100HP unit and batwing would be needed for 28 acres. Agree with others' comments about live PTO or overrunning clutch for safety. ROPS too if lots of uneven ground (gullies, creeksetc). If getting an older tractor, make sure it's one that you can still get parts for--these are usually ones that had high production run numbers. Don't get something odd or scarce. And keep in mind the tractor weight and width so you can get it on a reasonable trailer in case you need to take it in for service. Driving it in is OK if the dealer is close but what if it wont run? Also makes it easier to get home and allows you to consider buying tractors farther away-bigger market. As others have stated, you will find additional uses for your tractor once you have it. I had a tractor 10 years before I put a front end loader on it. Once on I was able to do a lot more with it as far as moving stuff around. Don't know why I waited so long. If you may end up like that a wide front end is a must for stability along with power steering.---Erik

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Bill(Wis)

12-20-2004 06:58:14




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 Re: Tractor Size in reply to Don Costello, 12-19-2004 08:53:39  
Don: I strongly recommend a tractor with a factory 3 point hitch. Some of the tractors recommended here don't have them and would be difficult and expensive to modify. Most newer tractors will have factory 3 pt but some, particularly industrial versions, might not. Also, if you buy a Ford 600/800 series make sure it has a live PTO. 640/840, for example, do not. Plenty of info on this website about that.

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Indydirtfarmer

12-20-2004 03:37:13




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 Re: Tractor Size in reply to Don Costello, 12-19-2004 08:53:39  
I have an uncle with 45 acres in CRP, and I do the bush hogging for him. (Like it has been said, some states frobid you from mowing, others require you to mow CRP land)

I would stat with establishing a "budget" for your tractor. What can you afford to spend on one?

I would attempt to find something in fairly good shape, late model (1970's or newer) diesel, live or independant PTO, wide front end, power steering, and decent rubber.

If you can afford beyond those basics, go for more Horsepower...

I would shoot for 45 to 60 HP. That would let you mow with a 6' to 8' mower, at a reasonable speed. I would assume you don't need to mow the place in an hour...A 7' bush hog, on a 60 HP tractor would mow that kind of acreage in 10 to 12 hours, under most conditions. ( I do commercial bush hogging....I keep one, and some times two tractors running full-time during summer months. I use 60 HP with 7' mowers. I mow one place that is 29 acres of flat, clean ground. It takes about 9-1/2 hours at a brisk pace)

The general "rule of thumb" for estimating bush hogging (on a commercial basis) around here is about $16 an acre for bigger plots of land. That goes up as the size of the ground decreases. ( I try for $60 an hour) I run one tractor with a 15' batwing. That gets roughly the same price per acre, but hourly, it bags as much as $135.

That should help you in establishing a reasonable budget as far as what you would spend hiring it out, as opposed to buying a tractor and doing it yourself.

Good luck! John

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Leland

12-19-2004 22:18:28




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 Re: Tractor Size in reply to Don Costello, 12-19-2004 08:53:39  
Just look at auctions you have plenty of time to find one before mowing time,but whatever you find buy a diesel at least 2-1 on fuel. And if you want this tractor for hogging only here in ILL the state has sales several times a year selling off old tractors that only mowed the road sides and most are not abused you state may also have these sales also good luck.



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Ultradog MN

12-19-2004 17:59:10




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 Re: Tractor Size in reply to Don Costello, 12-19-2004 08:53:39  
I don't know a thing about CRP.
But I don't think you need more than about 35 hp to do what you are looking for. It doesn't take a lot of HP to mow. You say it's been mowed every year so you shouldn't have much brush yet.
Any decent rotary or brush mower will do the job easily.
Part of the equasion is how many acres are you actually mowing and how fast are you looking to do get it done. Most of us around here are glad to get a little seat time.
Too, you might be the kind of guy who can afford
an 100 hp tractor that will power a 6' bush hog plus a 6' batwing mower. That kind of a rig would get your work done pretty quickly.
I used to do a few acres of weeds and grasses with a 22 hp 2N Ford and a 5' King Kutter. Now I use a 33 hp Ford with the same mower and it has allowed me to keep it mowed but do a little bit of reclamation each year. It will take down 1 + " saplings all day long. Unless you grew up around tractors and have a real preference for one color over another I would definately get a tractor with 3 pt. hitch. Once you have a tractor to mow with you will find a lot of other uses for it. And the 3 pt. makes it all the handier.
Jerry

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D. Costello

12-19-2004 16:19:10




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 Re: Tractor Size in reply to Don Costello, 12-19-2004 08:53:39  
I was told that when the weeds got 18" I was suppose to cut it. I let them get much taller but cut it once a year. I know I can't bail it, graze on it or anything like that but I'm sure they said I should cut it or have a controlled burn. I will recheck my contract.



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ejr

12-19-2004 14:44:21




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 Re: Tractor Size in reply to Don Costello, 12-19-2004 08:53:39  
If it is established crp you shouldent be mowing it anyway.Read your contract with conservation district.



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Allan in NE

12-19-2004 15:42:22




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 Re: Tractor Size in reply to ejr, 12-19-2004 14:44:21  
EJR,

Yep, I didn't wanna be the first one to beller, but that is just a little bit on the other side of legal.

Allan



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HobbyFarmerInWI

12-19-2004 20:52:09




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 Re: Tractor Size in reply to Allan in NE, 12-19-2004 15:42:22  
You can not make a blanket comment about CRP laws. I have CRP land in two states. The rules governing each are vastly different.



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paul

12-19-2004 21:23:29




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 Re: Tractor Size in reply to HobbyFarmerInWI, 12-19-2004 20:52:09  
Must be, i don't have any, but i hear in MN you must control the weeds, mowing is an option but they really don't want you to mow.

I think they would like trees to establish here, & then they can stop paying folks, it will be too hard to revert back to cropland....

--->Paul



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paul

12-19-2004 09:59:17




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 Re: Tractor Size in reply to Don Costello, 12-19-2004 08:53:39  
It's nicer to have live pto for this type of work. While you can 'hog without live pto, if you are starting from scratch, might as well make it nicer.... (Live pto means you can stop driving & shift gears while the pto continues to operate - it has multiple benifits. ery old tractors did not have this feature, pto & rear end were locked together, stop one & they all stop....)

About 45 hp should pull a 6' brush hog all day long in most conditions.

As the other person said, you can go bigger or smaller, trading time for money mostly.

--->Paul

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PJB

12-19-2004 09:27:43




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 Re: Tractor Size in reply to Don Costello, 12-19-2004 08:53:39  
The first 2 factors I would figure out first is how much money you want to send and than how much time you have. If you don't have much time or don't want to spend a lot of time on the tractor you might want to get a bigger one and a bigger cutter. It will get the job done faster.... but most likely it will cost more to buy. I would if a 45 HP tractor would be just fine.....or if you wanted to get a old tractor a 3 plow one would be just fine for 28 acres or so...Like a JD 50 or Farmall H or IH 300.

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Edchainsaw

12-19-2004 17:07:38




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 Re: Tractor Size in reply to PJB, 12-19-2004 09:27:43  
On our CRP contract we HAVE TO mow 1 time each year after AUG 1... and they alow a $5/acre maintainance allowance so what I would do is figure your needs with that figure in mind.

now I know it cost me more than $5/acre to mow ours but thats what they say it should cost.

and guys please dont tell anyone thats never run a NONlive PTO tractor on a mower its just a convieniance THEY NEED LIVE PTO PERIOD .. I have lost 1 cousin and 2 neighbors from the mowers pushing those tractors (namely 8n or 9n fords) over cliffs.

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Rob in Mo

12-19-2004 18:37:36




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 Re: Tractor Size in reply to Edchainsaw, 12-19-2004 17:07:38  
Edchainsaw is correct.It is very dangerous to run brushog on a tractor without live power. If you purchase an older tractor without live pto be sure to spend the extra money and buy an overrunning clutch,it could save your life.I have 3 tractors,9N Ford,Vac Case and Farmall H that we use for brushogging and all have the overrunning clutch. A good Farmall H with 6 FT Cutter would probably do you fine.

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