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Allan in NE

10-28-2004 05:36:51

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Hi Guys,

After my farm sale, I moved to up Williston, North Dakota.

The first day there, I stopped a friendly looking fella on Main Street, told him I had just moved into town and asked him if he knew of anyplace I could find work. His exact words were:

"Don't even bother. You were not born here and we do not want you here. Just go back where you came from. We do not want you."

I'll remember that guy's face and I'll remember those words till the day I die,

Allan

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buickanddeere

10-28-2004 20:35:49

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Re: A Comparison in reply to Allan in NE, 10-28-2004 05:36:51

The community I moved into 16 months ago, an hour north of were I grew up in the country is mostly warm and welcoming. However this past summer when the local volunteer fire dept needed to hire four more bodies, the old boy's club/ being a local was a factor. This village is 6 miles from a rural nuclear plant. I was a front runner according to a phone call from the chief as I have 10 years experience in a city nuclear plant, all the extra qualifications and passed the official provincial physical fitness tests. A volunteer captain who made the choices and who lives 3/8 of a mile away from myself. Is also a full time fireman at the nuclear plant where I also work. Asked him after the selections where made why I never even got an invitation to an interview. He did hire a 53 year old female co-worker from the power plant however? Told me I hadn't lived in the area long enough. Well heck, he knows I have a big bucks job for life here that I won't give up and own a farm across the road from him.I grew up on a working farm just like he did too. The only way he and his extended family was hired at the plant as janitors being they are mostly high school dropouts. Is that his Daddy was a General Manager there.

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edchainsaw

10-28-2004 19:06:57

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Re: A Comparison in reply to Allan in NE, 10-28-2004 05:36:51

A wise old man (can call him that now he's been dead 40yrs)

told one neighbor when he moved into our neighborhood that he wouldnt be part of it until he'd been there 35yrs...

thats how long it took him to be accepted and he wasnt changing tradition.

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Les...fortunate

10-28-2004 12:41:43

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Re: A Comparison in reply to Allan in NE, 10-28-2004 05:36:51

Wouldn't happen here. We have to import workers from Russia, South Africa, Romania, Poland, etc. Local people don't even want to work any more on "entry level" stuff unless it involves playing.

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Redmud

10-28-2004 11:34:55

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Re: A Comparison in reply to Allan in NE, 10-28-2004 05:36:51

Well, It all started with me back in

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Irv

10-28-2004 09:05:17

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Re: A Comparison in reply to Allan in NE, 10-28-2004 05:36:51

A friend of mine went out to Montana on vacation a few years ago. He is the manager of a very successful specialty machinery builder. They sell over 100 million a year to the Japanese alone. He has always dreamed about living out there. He saw an opening for a small manufacturing firm. At the interview, the interviewer told him " you are the best qualified person, by a country mile. But if I don't hire a local, I will be run out of town" I suspect a lot of that goes on everywhere. Irv

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Cmore

10-28-2004 08:16:33

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Re: A Comparison in reply to Allan in NE, 10-28-2004 05:36:51

Reminds me of a story my grandpa once told me. Seems this man and his family moved to our small town. He met my grandpa, and asked "how friendly are the people in this town? Are they easy to get to know?" My grandpa asked him "how were the people in the place you just left? The new man in town replied..."they were the meanest, nastiest, most hateful people on earth. I couldn't get along with any of them, and that's why I left. To this, my grandpa replied..."well, the people here are pretty much like that, too."....Cmore

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Rauville

10-28-2004 07:57:07

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Re: A Comparison in reply to Allan in NE, 10-28-2004 05:36:51

I remember back in 1972, coming back from Glacial National Park, running the "Highline" (Highway #2) in NE Montana on the way to Williston. A friend and I decided to stop at Popular for the night, and went "uptown" for a beer at the local tavern. We and 3 old cowboy looking locals at the bar were the only customers. Being the big spender, I asked the bartender to set up a round for the house. I can still see yet to this day, when those 3 locals all swiveled on their stools in unison, and one of them said; "Thanks stranger", before they all turned back to the bar...end of conversation for the evening!

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Jay (ND)

10-28-2004 07:50:23

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Re: A Comparison in reply to Allan in NE, 10-28-2004 05:36:51

Just goes to prove that there are dicks everywhere. He was probably right when he said don't bother, but should have stopped there. Don't bother, cause there probably aren't any jobs to be had, but good luck son!

And Indy - the metropolis (if you can call it that) of Bismarck/Mandan is about 60,000 people. Fargo alone has more than that, and Grand Forks has to be getting close. The population, with the exception of Bismarck is mostly in the East. The state pop. is a little over 600,000. So, not quite half, lol. And, I'm not sure of which part of the badlands you saw, but if you've ever seen the Medora area, you might think differently, especially when you would see Painted Canyon. No biggy :) I'm nowhere near that, and I happen to like my big flat land where the sun never sets in the summer (or seems like).

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Indydirtfarmer

10-28-2004 08:45:13

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Re: A Comparison in reply to Jay (ND), 10-28-2004 07:50:23

Things must have changes since 1976. (Can you imagine that?) At that point, an uncle of mine was starting up the first cable TV service in Bismark. At that point, almost 50% of the jobs in Bismark were state government employees. Fargo and Grand Forks were still relatively small. I also spent a couple nights at Minot (AFB) That was the "Best looking" part of the state.

Plus...When you're 19, and 1000 miles from home, NOTHING looks as good as where you're from. John

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Jay (ND)

10-28-2004 09:38:33

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Re: A Comparison in reply to Indydirtfarmer, 10-28-2004 08:45:13

I hear ya - when I was 19, I was a thousand miles away in hateful Missouri. Damn chiggers and brown recluse, water mocks, etc in the Ozarks. Not pretty at all. Of course, my vision may have been skewed a bit. You see, I saw most of it from the position of a push-up. Ft. Leonardwood.

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edchainsaw

10-28-2004 19:02:58

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Re: A Comparison in reply to Jay (ND), 10-28-2004 09:38:33

my dad told me stories about ft. Sh*t-in-the woods.

he was there for the coldest snowiest winter on record .. Jan 1960

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Indydirtfarmer

10-28-2004 10:41:38

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Re: A Comparison in reply to Jay (ND), 10-28-2004 09:38:33

Now you've ruined my image of the place I WANTED to go. I enlisted in 1975, with all the hopes of being a combat engineer. The army, in it's infinate wisdom, decided I was more suited for map reading....As it turned out, I wasn't suited for much of anything they had to offer. Spent 4 years in trouble for EVERYTHING!

Round peg in a square hole..... .John

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kraigWY

10-28-2004 07:19:13

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Re: A Comparison in reply to Allan in NE, 10-28-2004 05:36:51

Hmmmm, differant story here, I moved to this little town over ten years ago when I retired at age 46. From day one I have been offered several jobs. Everywhere from the coal mines, sheriff's office, machanic, to openning up a gun/machine shop. After 10 years I still cannot convince people I dont need to nor do I want to work. I think its entirely up to the individual weather he is excepted or not in a comunity.

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Bill Drew

10-28-2004 07:09:51

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Small towns everywhere in reply to Allan in NE, 10-28-2004 05:36:51

Pretty much the same in every small town, though the intensity does vary. My folks moved to a farm north of Duluth when I was 5 years old. They weren't really accepted untill my younger sister graduated from high school and married one of the locals. There wasn't the kind of outright nastyness you ran into though.

We now live in Western Wisconsin with a different problem. Over the past 30 years it has changed so there are many more horses than holsteins now. The horse crowd wants to force everyone to get rid of the "junk piles" in their front yard. The hippies (remnants of the `60s & `70s communes) have much more in common with the hillbillies than either has with the horse set.

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leland

10-28-2004 06:51:05

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Re: A Comparison in reply to Allan in NE, 10-28-2004 05:36:51

Thats sounds like a little town 15 miles north of where I live, wife found a new house up there. But we ran into same problem,we were not related to anyone. Found out that whole town was one big family they all are related .And no there are not amish.But the whole country seems to be getting that way anymore just sit and watch people for a while,there is still friendly folks out there but they are getting rare.

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Indydirtfarmer

10-28-2004 06:45:41

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Re: A Comparison in reply to Allan in NE, 10-28-2004 05:36:51

Howdy Allan,

I spent a while at Bismark, North Dakotah, back in 1976. It was the Bicentenial year, and also the 100th anniversary of the Battle of the Little Big Horn. Ft. Abraham Lincoln is just outside Bismark. (Near Mandan) That was the "home base' for General George Armstrong Custer. There is a national park there now. The fort has been preserved as a national monument. I was in the service of our country at that time (U.S. Army, 7th Cav.) We were sent to Ft Lincoln for a couple weeks to serve as Honor Guard during a re-enactment of Custer's leaving the fort to go "kill injuns". (You see where that got HIM!)

Long story short. If I never see the "badlands" again, it'll be too soon. Just about the most feature-less terrain on the planet.

Bismark is the state capital. The population of Bismark is over 1/2 the states total. It was the worst place in the world for a 19 year old "soldier-boy" to be stuck. Never want to see the place again...

I didn't have much dealings with "the locals", but I can understand why they would be so grumpy. If i was stuck there, I'd be in a bad mood too. John

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caseyc

10-28-2004 05:46:23

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Re: A Comparison in reply to Allan in NE, 10-28-2004 05:36:51

folks are like that around here to. when i first came to south dakota i moved to town so it wasn't as bad. 6 years later i own my own farm again and getting to know more and more people i can say the attitude is about the same, but, being here for a few years before getting my feet wet helped.

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