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Thoughts on re-torque'n

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Randy

08-05-2004 19:42:49




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Hello Everyone!

In my dear ol' tractor's shop manual, it says to torque the head bolts then re-torque with the engine warm.

On the head gasket package (Fel-Pro)it says no re-torque necessary.

If it makes any difference, it's a flathead engine.

Recommendations on whether to re-torque, or not?

Thanks!

Randy




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Jason(PA)

08-06-2004 12:58:37




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 Re: Thoughts on re-torque'n in reply to Randy, 08-05-2004 19:42:49  
Do it now and it could save you a head ake later.



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G-MAN

08-06-2004 10:39:59




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 Re: Thoughts on re-torque'n in reply to Randy, 08-05-2004 19:42:49  
Just put a head on a JD "70". Block and head both planed and flat, torqued to spec with Deere gasket and lead washers. Installed gasket dry. Had a small seep of water at initial start-up that went away completely after a hot retorque. Cheap insurance, and like buickanddeere said, it can help spot failing fasteners. A bolt or stud that won't hit torque is a failure waiting to happen.



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Allan in NE

08-06-2004 08:44:32




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 Re: Thoughts on re-torque'n in reply to Randy, 08-05-2004 19:42:49  
Randy,

Diesel, yes ifn' ya feel the urge.

Gasser, no need, in my view.

Allan



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txblu

08-06-2004 05:53:42




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 Re: Thoughts on re-torque'n in reply to Randy, 08-05-2004 19:42:49  
Do a snug up, per the pattern with the impact wrench. Come back with 2 trips with the torque wrench. Put the wrench in the toolbox and close the drawer.

Never retorqued, never blew a gasket on anything but those stubborn thermostat cover gaskets. Course the local NH dealer introduced me to some sort of sealant made by 3M that even fixes that.

Seems I didn't have the thermostat in the groove on an old Ford p/u and broke the ear off the casting; was on the road and it was a real problem. Must be gun shy cause I barely torque the screws down and makes leaking a problem (did).

Main reason for not retorqueing is oil. Seems my engine rebuilds slobber oil all over everything when you turn them on to run em in and mess up my nice new paint and new parts and all. On a Chev V8 I even bought those little clip hootuses you put on the rockers to try and stop it and it just slobbered that much more.

Mark

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buickanddeere

08-06-2004 04:40:03




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 Re: Thoughts on re-torque'n in reply to Randy, 08-05-2004 19:42:49  
Does no harm and can spot a failing fastener,thread or other flaws.



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TheRealRon

08-06-2004 04:26:00




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 Re: Thoughts on re-torque'n in reply to Randy, 08-05-2004 19:42:49  
Always follow the gasket makers recommendations for the reasons Bob gave. No harm in re-torquing but it's basically a waste of time. On a flathead it's not much time, on most OHV engines, it's a lot more time.



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Bob

08-05-2004 21:57:34




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 Re: Thoughts on re-torque'n in reply to Randy, 08-05-2004 19:42:49  
These parts have been improved so much over the years, if the surfaces, are good, the threads are clean, etc, I would follow the gasket manufacturer's advice not to retorque.
Here's a link to FelPro, with helpfull hints:

Link

However, much to my surprise, FelPro does not rule out retorqueing the head IF YOU WANT TO... see item #5 at the link below.

http://www.federal-mogul.com/cda/content/front/0,2194,2442_7359_17015,00.html

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George

08-06-2004 02:24:04




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 Re: Thoughts on re-torque'n in reply to Bob, 08-05-2004 21:57:34  
Better safe than sorry -- re-torque! I can't see where it would hurt anything.



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Kevin (FL)

08-05-2004 20:37:08




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 Re: Thoughts on re-torque'n in reply to Randy, 08-05-2004 19:42:49  
Randy,

I usually re-torque composition gaskets (those made of steel and any fiber material) and steel gaskets, which are more or less "uncompressable", I don't re-torque as a rule. Composition gaskets tend to crush after a short running time, thus the seal can be lost if they're not re-torqued.

Even the steel gaskets I find myself checking them sometimes--just in case one of the bolts stretched a little more than the others.

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