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Lynn Kasdorf -

02-25-2004 10:03:23




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I want to buy a used trailer and I don't know exactly what type I need. Here is some info.

First, my pulling vehicles are a 1984 Chevy full size 1/2 ton pickup, and an Isuzu NPR box truck.

I'd like to be able to transport my Ford 650 tractor or my John Deere B, or similar sized machines.

I want to be able to move machinery on occasion, like if I find a good deal on a good sized metal lathe, etc.

So I guess the load capacity needs to be in excess of a ton. Ton and 1/2 or 2 ton woudl be good, if I could pull it.

I think electric brakes would be in order, as would 2 axle with springs.

I need a flat bed ideally- a car hauler with just 2 treads and a gap in the middle woudl not do.

So- what do I look for? Is this a utility trailer, a car hauler, a landscape trailer, what?

Thanks-

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PhillipM

02-25-2004 19:51:46




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 Re: need trailer advice in reply to Lynn Kasdorf - Leesburg, , 02-25-2004 10:03:23  
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This is an 850 Ford with a 5'Bush hog attached. It is on a plain 16' utility trailer with 3500# axles and no brakes. I pull this with a '99 F-150 4wd, Auto OD trans, 3.73 gears, and a reciever hitch. This is the before picture of my winter project. Last year I had a 640 and every two weeks I drug it about 100 miles every two weeks with a 6' landpride finishing mower. All I do is balance it to give me the right squat on the truck (Tounge weight = 10% gross trailer weight)and take it out of overdrive in the hilly country. If you have a TH700R4 in your truck I wouldn't pull the empty trailer in overdrive. Check your fluid for discoloration frequently, and don't ever let it hunt a gear. Your bumper should have a weight rating on it. My trailer weighs 1100#, 640 Ford about 2700#, and my finishing mower about 600#. You can check the laws to see what's required based on those weights. As for the rails, they are a bear to put up with at times with the inside clearance of 6'-4", but they stiffen the trailer. I had a 20' without the rails once, and the flexing of the trailer was awful. The only way around that is to have a stronger built frame, and that cost more money and makes the trailer heavy.

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Mike D.

02-25-2004 19:11:11




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 Re: need trailer advice in reply to Lynn Kasdorf - Leesburg, , 02-25-2004 10:03:23  
Howdy Lynn,

I just pulled a Ford 600 with a 5' Woods bushog from Southide Va. to Manassas. Used a 20 foot flat deck trailer. Brakes on both axles. Drive an F-350 Powerstroke SRW Crewcab W/6 speed gearbox. Didn't know the tractor was there half the time. Went 178 miles and burned 9.5 gal. of diesel.
Get the deckover trailer. You won't regret it when your hauling round bales, and the like. Don't skimp on chains and binders...

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Lynn Kasdorf,Leesburg,VA

02-26-2004 10:15:41




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 Re: Re: need trailer advice in reply to Mike D., 02-25-2004 19:11:11  
When you say "deckover", do you simply mean a flat bed type, or what?



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scott

02-25-2004 17:02:06




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 Re: need trailer advice in reply to Lynn Kasdorf - Leesburg, , 02-25-2004 10:03:23  
I have a H&H brand tilt bed trailer, 18 ft long with 2 #3500 axles. It has a hydraulic jack on front that tilts the bed up sure beats messing with ramps. I think it is fedral law that a trailer over #2000 lbs has to have brakes on all wheels if not its a good idea. The only things I would do different is have drive over fenders, you have to have the wheels on the tractor set in to fit between the fenders. Also I would have 5 or 6 K axles its easy to overload the #3500s. I'am currently looking for a good used gooseneck flatbed, probley should have bought one to begin with as it always seems I have either more than one tractor to haul or a bigger heavy one to move.

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Lynn Kasdorf,Leesburg,VA

02-25-2004 13:28:09




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 Re: need trailer advice in reply to Lynn Kasdorf - Leesburg, , 02-25-2004 10:03:23  
BTW, I currently own a trailer of sorts- it is about 18' long, tilt bed. But it is a single axle only, no springs, and it uses huge miltary type wheels. Also, the wheels and tires are mismatched. I don't have a spare either.

If I could find matching wheels for this beast, I could use it, but then it has no suspension, so I'd be concerned. At one time it had some sort of brake system, as there is a master cylinder and hydraulic lines to the wheels, but this is probably in pretty bad shape.

So, I figure I'll just sell it and put the money towards a better rig. If I had endless time, I'd buy a couple of trailer axles and leaf springs and rebuild it. But, time is a precious commodity these days and I want to spend it on the fun stuff.

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henrich Iowa

02-25-2004 12:33:08




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 Re: need trailer advice in reply to Lynn Kasdorf - Leesburg, , 02-25-2004 10:03:23  
If you are purchasing a trailer to keep for any length of time, spend your money and get something reasonable. Forget a 16 ft. go for an 18 or 20 ft. trailer, they are one heck of a lot easier to back and load. Get a minimum of 3,500 lbs axles and tandems (two) so that makes a GVWR of 7,000 lbs minus the weight of the trailer so you're going to have around a 6,000 lb capacity which sounds like a lot but wait until you load it and you will wish you had more. Measure the height of your receiver hitch from the ground, it should be around 18 inches. If it is to high or to low, purchase you hitch to compensate for that. At the present I run a 5 inch drop on my SuperCrew so my trailer will run level. That is important. I get a kick out of these guys that pull a trailer that looks like it going up hill and trying to crawl into the back of the pickup pulling it. When you pull a trailer that is level, you will have a compfortable ride. The law requires you have one axle with brakes, two will even work better. Run good quality tires, not second hand, it is also against the law to purchase a new trailer with used tires. After you get it you can place used tires if you want, but why do you want to keep replacing them? Use a tire with no more than four ply sidewalls so the tire will flex when you turn. You want the tire to flex for less wear on the wheel bearings. Also, keep the wheel bearings greased well.
The deck of the trailer can be either 2x6 or 2x8 treated lumber and when you get it apply a couple of coats of sealer to the lumber, use a petroleum base not a water base. But watch out when you get any moisture on that deck, it will be slicker than snot. One thing that I find nice with my 20 ft. trailer is I have 5 ft. ramps on the rear with braces so that when you load the weigh of the equipment your loading pushes down on the ramp base rather than trying to lift the back of your pickup off the ground. Want to know any more? I sell trailers.

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Greywolf

02-26-2004 06:48:13




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 Re: Re: need trailer advice in reply to henrich Iowa, 02-25-2004 12:33:08  
In Minnesota all axles need brakes. Part of a problem getting trailers from Ia into Mn.

As far as the 4 ply vs higher ply ratings. A 4 ply tire under the trailer would be limiting your weight carrying ablility by quite a bit. Nothing more frustrating than fixing a blow out on the side of the road, let alone the safety issues.

A 6 or 8 ply tire isn't going to put that much more stress on the bearing/hubs. If they can't handle the better tire, they aren't going to last under a load.

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wdTom

02-25-2004 18:25:03




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 Re: Re: need trailer advice in reply to henrich Iowa, 02-25-2004 12:33:08  
Yes, I would like to know more. I am looking for a deck over trailer, 7000 gross, 5000 cap. I want it to be 16 ft long. And the deck no higher than absoultly necessary, maybe steel plate over the tires to reduce deck thickness to save 1 1/4" height here, maybe slightly raised wheel wells-up to 2 ". Lighter is better as I don't have a high power truck. Know of any such deck overs? Have always thought of a bearvertail on the back that could be swung up to make it all flat too. Would probably make that modification myself as I haven't seen any such thing.

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VADAVE

02-25-2004 11:32:30




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 Re: need trailer advice in reply to Lynn Kasdorf - Leesburg, , 02-25-2004 10:03:23  
Lynn I don't know where you are at--Leesburg can be Virginia or Indiania and ther may be other states with a Leesburg. In Virginia the trailer can have a perminent(sp) plate and it goes by weight. I have pulled a 6 ton trailer behind my NPR without problems--11,000 lb tractor on an equipment trailer. Some things to consider: Will you use it regularly or will the trailer sit for long periods of time? If it is going to sit then be prepared the electric brakes will rust and take up to a few miles to work again.
If you will primarily haul wheeled equipment then a trailer with a dovetail and ramps works fine. the dovetail and ramps will get in the way when you haul other things--hay for instance.
That's all I can think of at the moment. Good luck

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Lynn Kasdorf,Leesburg,VA

02-25-2004 11:39:44




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 Re: Re: need trailer advice in reply to VADAVE, 02-25-2004 11:32:30  
In the realm of trailers, what is a dovetail? I've seen that reference but don't know what it means.



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Paul Janke

02-25-2004 12:27:29




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 Re: Re: Re: need trailer advice in reply to Lynn Kasdorf,Leesburg,VA, 02-25-2004 11:39:44  
Dovetail or beavertail is when the back part of the bed slopes back to be sort of a permanently installed partial ramp. The loading ramps can be shorter, which allows them to be considerably lighter. This is probably only on a trailer which has a full width bed over the top of the tires. If the bed is between the tires, it is already pretty low.



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John

02-25-2004 11:27:14




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 Re: need trailer advice in reply to Lynn Kasdorf - Leesburg, , 02-25-2004 10:03:23  
I really do not under stand the question you are asking as it seems you answered your own questions.
I think electric brakes would be in order, as would 2 axle with springs.
Yes for carring this type of weight you would need two axles rated at 3500# each and elec. brakes on one axle.
I need a flat bed ideally
OK so you want a flat bed with 2x6 flooring. Treated lumber would be a plus. A landscape trailer is for hauling riding mowers and is to light and you even said a car hauler is not what you want because it has just two treads.
Your truck is a V8 and should handle this applcation with a class III hitch. You can get a equlizer attachment to distubute the weight better or use your larger truck.

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Rusty Jones/ The Mower Ma

02-25-2004 10:36:26




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 Re: need trailer advice in reply to Lynn Kasdorf - Leesburg, , 02-25-2004 10:03:23  
Hey, yer on the right track! Electric brakes, heavy axles and chassis, heavy weight carrying capacity tires, plank floor, all that stuff! you can always add more floor to it. if your truck is a v/8 it is better for hauling heavy loads--send a man out to do a man's job, so to say! If you have an automatic tranny, you should have the larger transmission for heavy hauling! Or a 4-speed stick shift is better! A tip: you can't use the step bumper to pull it--some guys and some states require a pintle hook type of hitch, for really heavy loads, like machinery or tractors. Better be safe than sorry, like watching yer prize tractor and trailer scampering down off the road, into a creek or lake, or hitting an on-coming car full of kids heading for the ol'swimming hole! and, it wouldn't be called a utility trailer(to avoid paying higher license fees!) Better check yer state's regulations before jumping into hot water! RJ

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Kermit

02-25-2004 11:19:11




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 Re: Re: need trailer advice in reply to Rusty Jones/ The Mower Ma, 02-25-2004 10:36:26  
All you need is a tandem axle 16' trailer. You can call it a utility trailer. New Price in Oklahoma starts around $700. I use a 14' to pull my Farmall. Had a 1/2 ton ford but now use a 3/4 t powerstroke.



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Russ Smart

02-25-2004 17:24:04




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 Re: Re: Re: need trailer advice in reply to Kermit, 02-25-2004 11:19:11  
I checked on that, that is with used tires and no brakes. Probably too narrow to haul a row crop on, you need a flat bed with the tires underneath.



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Lynn Kasdorf - Leesburg,

02-25-2004 10:42:22




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 Re: Re: need trailer advice in reply to Rusty Jones/ The Mower Ma, 02-25-2004 10:36:26  
My pickup is a v8 with automatic and a bumper hitch and a wimpy suspension.

If I was hauling a tractor, I'd definitely pull it with the big box truck.

I don't follow your licensing fee comment. I would assume that a trailer licensed as a car huler would license higher than one called a utility trailer. Am I wrong on this?



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Puller504

02-25-2004 12:38:29




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 Re: Re: Re: need trailer advice in reply to Lynn Kasdorf - Leesburg, , 02-25-2004 10:42:22  
Hi, Lynn. I have a tandem axle 16 foot long trailer for sale here in Ohio. I've purchased a larger gooseneck trailer to haul 2 tractors at once on and don't need my bumper pull anymore. E-Mail me with any questions/concerns you may have and I'll try to help. Thanks, Don



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