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Gooseneck question(s) of the day.

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Indydirtfarmer

12-06-2003 09:44:58




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Been out "shopping". I've found several prospects. The first is a "trade-in" tri-axle, with 3 6000lb axles, steel deck, no ramps, and worn-out tires. I can get it CHEAP! ($1750) Anyone know the D.O.T. laws on tri-axles? (Indiana, and Kentucky) Someone told me that there is a combined GVW limit of 28000, before it's subject to commercial vehicle laws. What's the scoop on that? The other trailer is a new 18'+3', with fold-down ramps, 2 jacks, 2 6000lb axles, and 10 ply tires (new), 2" oak deck, and a nice $2895 price. I'm leaning toward the new one. That's the best price on a new one I've got so far. My question is all about the tri-axle set-up. I've got 14000 tags on my truck. The trailer COULD be tagged for up to 18000lbs. Even with 14000, I'd still be at what I'm told is "over the limit". Help me! John

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I Like Case

12-07-2003 07:50:01




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 Re: Gooseneck question(s) of the day. in reply to Indydirtfarmer, 12-06-2003 09:44:58  
The worn out tires are no surprise. It is really tough to keep tires on a triple axle trailer. The triple axles bind up in turns. I would recommend a dual tandem. Murphy's law dictates that you always need more capacity than you have.



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kyhayman

12-06-2003 16:44:55




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 Re: Gooseneck question(s) of the day. in reply to Indydirtfarmer, 12-06-2003 09:44:58  
Hey John,

Indiana is the one you need to watch, very picky (trust me on that one). Can you license your towing vehicle in KY (if I remember you still have a farm here)? If you do and can keep some semblance of ag use a KY farm plate is good to 38K and trailer doesnt have to be tagged. The 26,000 CDL limit is for real on your combined vehicle weight if you go out of state, UNLESS you are within 150 miles of farm. I get stopped every time I go to Ohio (once a every other month to see a guy whose horses I board) b/c I dont have a plate on the trailer. DOT man has to calculate air miles (147.6 :-)), then sends me on my way.

Indiana is very picky on inspections if you get stopped, I'd go with the new one. I cant remember the exact link but State of Indiana web site can eventually lead you to IN DOT and they have a very user friendly data base of laws. Only one I remember well is on brakes, if trailer is over 5000# they are required on the road regardless of what your state of license requires (KY if you dont have to plate the trailer you dont have to have brakes on it). If you've got a weighted plate in KY (your 14K) that's all you get for the truck/trailer combination (inc payload) and the trailer has to be plated.

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Indydirtfarmer

12-07-2003 03:22:30




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 Re: Re: Gooseneck question(s) of the day. in reply to kyhayman, 12-06-2003 16:44:55  
Thanks for the info. I have the truck tagged in Kentucky. We have a house here, as well as the farm in Grayson County. It will be tagged as a non-farm vehicle, due to my towing hundreds of miles away to auctions and such. We will be running in Indiana quite a bit. I have now read all the Indiana dot rules. I will have the truck registration "re-wieghted" to 20,000lbs, and the trailer tagged also. Makes me less of a "target" when out of state. I have made the decision to buy a 10,000GVW trailer (new). It is 20'+3'. That will haul what I need to haul, plus a couple thousand pounds. All this will keep me under the 26,000lb dot laws. I have a CDL, becouse of all the bigger farm truck we have. That isn't an issue. i just wanted a "no complications" rig to go to auctions, and drag home the 30-45 hp, 3pt hitch tractors that I sell so many of. I will haul my Deere 2440 on this trailer, from time to time also. I do quite a bit of "Roto-tilling" for a couple golf course contractors, and need a way to move it. Your answers are "from someone who's been there, done that". Better chance that you're right. Thanks again, John

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bill in colo

12-06-2003 21:55:40




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 Re: Re: Gooseneck question(s) of the day. in reply to kyhayman, 12-06-2003 16:44:55  
here in the west the 150 mile from farm doesn't allow you to cross a state line if we cross a state line here you will need usdot # a some are reguireing a health card or both. also a log book beyond 100 miles. this is on combo vehicles over 10,001 lbs. however if what you,re doing is recreation no rules apply!!!!!



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Kennyin colo

12-07-2003 07:02:46




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 Re: Re: Re: Gooseneck question(s) of the day. in reply to bill in colo, 12-06-2003 21:55:40  
Bill. I read that Colo. rule of over 10,001 lbs as commercial hauling and not applying to farm plates. Where did you see any thing about not crossing state lines? Wouldn't that be up to the next state. I know Neb is very free with farm trucks. All so: Quote: "Even though a farm vehicle driver does not require a CDl, a farm vehicle driver needs to be a minimum of 18 years of age when driving a CMV with a GVWR or GCWR of 26,001 pounds or more." I read this as never requireing a CDL for any thing, as long as farm stuff. I have to smile about brakes required for any thing over 3000 lbs..except 2 horse trailers...

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OK-AL

12-06-2003 15:01:51




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 Re: Gooseneck question(s) of the day. in reply to Indydirtfarmer, 12-06-2003 09:44:58  
You need to check with your state's DMV. In Oklahoma, you have to have a CDL if the vehicle you're driving gross weight is over 26,000 pounds. You also have to have a CDL if the trailer's gross weight is over 10,000 pounds.

Your state requirements may be different, but I doubt it.

OK-AL



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Mike in Md

12-06-2003 13:20:42




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 Re: Gooseneck question(s) of the day. in reply to Indydirtfarmer, 12-06-2003 09:44:58  
Here in Md if your truck is tagged for 14,000 that is all you are allowed,truck trailer and load. You will probably have to put a combination weight on your tag,up to whatever state you are in allows. Here in Md. that is whatever the tag inside the door says(thats what the scale guys go by). Even if I tag the truck for 26,000 the scale guys will bust you back to the manufactures GVW and fine you accordingly,they can get you for exceeding manufactures recomended weight rating,exceeding tire manufacturers weight rating,and the list goes on and on.Also when you get the weight up on your tags you may be required to do an annual inspection,carry fire extinguisher,safety flares,etc.More and more states are starting to enforce this because of Federal pressure. You had better check with your DMV in your state and wherever you are planning to drive it so you don't get an expensive surprise down the road.

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John R

12-06-2003 12:16:35




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 Re: Gooseneck question(s) of the day. in reply to Indydirtfarmer, 12-06-2003 09:44:58  
26000 GVW is for a single vehicle only. If your trailer's GVW is in excess of 10000 lbs. you need to have a CDL, and are subject to all laws concerning commercial vehicles.



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John (C-IL)

12-06-2003 11:58:28




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 Re: Gooseneck question(s) of the day. in reply to Indydirtfarmer, 12-06-2003 09:44:58  
John, that new trailer sounds pretty decent, but the 12,000 lb load limit on the trailer capacity may be a little light. On the other hand, a 12,000 lb tag on the trailer and a 14,000 lb tag on the truck keeps you at 26,000 lbs, one pound under the CDL limit. If that trailer weights 3000# you are limited to a 9000# payload plus whatever load you can get transfered to the truck from the trailer. Also remember that those tires are rated at 3035 lbs per tire, so tagging and hauling over 12K could possibly put you and your wallet at risk. John

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Davis in SC

12-06-2003 11:08:07




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 Re: Gooseneck question(s) of the day. in reply to Indydirtfarmer, 12-06-2003 09:44:58  
In SC GCVW is covered by tag on truck. I run a 22,000 tag, which covers dually, trailer, & skidsteer, with a few thousand to spare. I do not even run a tag on trailer, but do not take it out of state. It is my understanding that anything over 26,000 requires a CDL, even though several farmers tell me they will let them by up to 33,000 with farm tags.



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