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E27 Choking on oil

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John Anderson

07-29-2004 04:51:26




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HI Guys, I have a really weird problem on my E27 engine, and am wondering if any of you have an answer. The engine starts and runs on the governor with out any problem at all, no visible exhaust smoke, no missing, sweet. As soon as the engine gets any load put on it it pours black smoke out the exhaust, and if the load is not removed the engine will gasp to a holt within a short time, it will do this every time without fail. My first thought was, carby problem, sucking too much juice, tried another carby that I knew was ok, same result, smoke! Then I took a bit more notice of the exhaust, a lot of oil was being blowen out the exhaust when under load, sure enough the sump was going down to, OK, how is the oil getting into the cylinders, bearing in mind that the engine is at full rpm and maximum manifold suction at no load. Rings are ok, no excessive blow by under load, if it was an overhead valve engine I would suspect ahead gasket to cylinder oil leak.
Any one got any suggestions

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Jayson Scott

08-02-2004 02:18:39




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 Re: E27 Choking on oil in reply to John Anderson, 07-29-2004 04:51:26  
My thoughts would be air cleaner or something
before the carb restricting the air flow.
If the carb is put under an increased vacuum
it will tend to suck more fuel.
I have heard of rags and other items left in the air intakes.
If not and it runs just as bad with all the intake pipng off yes check the mag , condensers
can weaken with age also try closesing up the gaps
on the plugs.Oil will tend to make the motor
smoke blue not black and die.

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John Anderson

08-03-2004 21:18:50




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 Re: E27 Choking on oil in reply to Jayson Scott, 08-02-2004 02:18:39  
Hi Jayson,
Thank"s for your quick reply. Like you my first thought, was too much fuel, but all my tests were done with a wide open carby, ie. no air cleaner or ducting, and the problem remains when tested with another carby. Interesting idea about the magneto, Frank from Australia makes the same suggestion. I must admit that I never considered the spark as a possibility, I am going to have to rig up a coil to test this out, keep your fingers crossed.
John.

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Frank from Australia

08-01-2004 02:27:20




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 Re: E27 Choking on oil in reply to John Anderson, 07-29-2004 04:51:26  
Hi John,

I might be completely wrong but I would check the magneto. If it is failing to produce enough voltage the spark will fail under heavy load, because this is when the maximum spark voltage is needed. Spark voltage rises as the density of fuel and air in the cylinders increases. The black smoke points to unburnt fuel, oil smoke is normally blue or white. I am not sure why it is using oil under these circumstances, but it could be that the unburnt fuel is washing oil past the rings. At least the magneto is somthing you can check without stripping the motor down.

Good luck, Frank.

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John Anderson

08-08-2004 18:42:25




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 Re: E27 Choking on oil in reply to Frank from Australia, 08-01-2004 02:27:20  

Hi Frank,
Thank's for your reply, it's interestng that both replies have suggested the magneto! I never considered it, as the mag is in good condition and gives a good spark at start. I agree with your statement re. spark plug breakdown voltage increasing with gas pressure. As i don't have a spare mag, I am thinking about rigging a coil up to produce a reliable spark, getting onto the points is no problem, but the HT to the rotor is a problem, any suggestions?
I see you are located in OZ, I am located in the Yarra Valley, Victoria.

John

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Frank from Australia

08-09-2004 00:59:46




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 Re: E27 Choking on oil in reply to John Anderson, 08-08-2004 18:42:25  
Hi John,

There are usualy 3 posibilties that cause low voltage spark on the E27Ns that I know about. The first one is cracks in the plug lead insulation, especially if they are still in the metal tube going from the magneto. The voltage required to fire a full cylinder of fuel and air is high enough to jump more than 6mm in free air. A spark may look great across a plug gap when it is out of the head, but if it dissapears at 3mm gap it won't run the engine. If you do find that your leads are suspect make sure you use wire core ones and not suppression leads.

The second item I have found is that darned orange paint on the distributor cap. Mine was all flakey and was storing moisture under it. I ended up polishing most of it off with car cutting compound and that solved that problem. The cap looks odd black though. This is usualy refered to as a cracked distributor cap, but it more often than not is just a thin track of burnt carbon on the surface of the cap where the spark has been traveling. Polish it out and the problem goes away.

The third is simply the insulation in the magneto coil breaking down. This usually gets fairly terminal very quickly so I suspect you may have one of the other problems.

As for how to get the HT inside the magneto, I am not too sure about that at the moment, but I do have a dead RF4 magneto that I can pull appart to have a look. I was contemplating the same thing a while ago until I got a modified Bosch magneto back with my fathers old E27N. It's in bits in the back yard and the magneto is the least of it's problems. I am in Melbourne, so if you need to borrow a magneto to test out the old girl, I don't mind a trip to the Yarra Valley. The magneto is getting some work done on the impulse coupling and the advance linkage, my father did never get that right when he got it fitted, but I am sure I can get that hurried up if you need it.

Let me know how to contact you if you need it.

Regards, Frank.

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