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Problem with 3-pt. hydraulic lift on 1961 Fordson Dexta

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Richard Clark

12-25-1999 19:12:45




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We are having a problem with the hydraulic lift.
It will not lift with equipment attached, but will raise without equipment. Hydraulic oil has been added, still not working. Maybe Brian, Don or Wil can help us again. You fellas' have already helped us in finding the year model of our tractor. Thanks!




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Don(CO)

12-26-1999 08:27:52




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 Re: Problem with 3-pt. hydraulic lift on 1961 Fordson Dexta in reply to Richard Clark, 12-25-1999 19:12:45  
Richard: First thing to check is that the Auxiliary Service Control knob is in the proper position. Because the unit lifts when not under load, it most likely is but check to see that it is pushed ALL the way in. The ASC knob is facing forward and to the right just below the seat and to the left of the 3 pt lift lever/quadrant.

If you push and pull the knob a couple times, then push it all the way in,,,, and still no lift under load: Then check the Qualitrol/Position control lever. This lever is located on the right side of the differential housing a bit below and further back from the ASC knob. Lever up is Position Control, Lever Down is Qualitrol.
If there is no difference in the hydraulic lift in either position, the linkages may be out of adjustment, but more likely the hydraulic lift ram piston is in need of an O ring seal kit.

Finally, you could have a frozen or leaking lift cylinder safety valve. If the valve is frozen partially open, or the sealing washer is worn, broken or not seated correctly, enough hydraulic fluid may enter the lift ram to raise the lift arms without weight, but under load the
fluid by-pass is too much to allow the unit to lift.

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Oscar

12-28-1999 06:39:55




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 Re: Re: Problem with 3-pt. hydraulic lift on 1961 Fordson Dexta in reply to Don(CO), 12-26-1999 08:27:52  
Don gave good advice. As an addition, Dexta HPL's have a certain tendency to act weird. I've come across 4 different Dexta's where the HPL would lift spontaneously when the Auxiliary Service Control knob was pulled OUT (I was using the oil to control a machine, instead of the HPL). The system seems to have a mind of its own sometimes. But if it doesn't lift at all under load, Don's probably right with his assessment.

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Brian

12-28-1999 09:38:22




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 Re: Re: Re: Problem with 3-pt. hydraulic lift on 1961 Fordson Dexta in reply to Oscar, 12-28-1999 06:39:55  
Oscar,
Nothing wrong with the lift when this happens. All external hydraulics should be used with the lever set in "draft" not "position". If you use the externals in "position" and the lift arms drop slightly, the system will automatically try to correct the arms. The oil from the control valve is being diverted to your external application, not to the ram cylinder. Therefore the lift arms do not correct, the system is not cut off internally and you lose all control with the lever of the external rams. Common driver error. Not reading the operators book ;). Always use "draft" or "Qualitrol" when operating hydraulics from the Auxillary service point. This also applys to all Supers,2 -5000 etc.

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Oscar

12-29-1999 01:24:40




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Problem with 3-pt. hydraulic lift on 1961 Fordson Dexta in reply to Brian, 12-28-1999 09:38:22  
Brian, what you say is correct. You can expect the external application to act weird with the lever in the wrong position. That is not, however, a complete answer to the problem I mentioned. When the system is trying to correct the movement of the HPL arms, it diverts the oil not to the lift cylinder but to the external application. Just like you said. So, how can it be that the 3-point HPL arms come UP spontaneoulsy (and completely) when all oil is diverted to the external app? I mean, this happens with the knob pulled OUT. I would expect the external app to act weird in this case, not the HPL arms.

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Brian

12-29-1999 02:31:36




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Problem with 3-pt. hydraulic lift on 1961 Fordson Dexta in reply to Oscar, 12-29-1999 01:24:40  
Oscar,
Sorry read quickly and not fully. If the Auxillary Control Knob spool leaks, if the external load is high the lift arms will react. Or if there are internal leaks in the auxillary control houseing. But the fault must be in the auxillary itself, not in the lift, as it is the auxillary control that diverts the oil. Oil from the pump goes into the auxillary control chest, then down to the control valve, then back up into the auxillary spool and from there into either the ram cylinder or the auxillary outlet. I have had the problem you speak of many times and servicing the auxillary control always cures it.
On 2-4000 range there are 3 positions of the auxillary control. Ram cylinder, ram cylinder and auxillary and auxillary on its own.
Regards

Brian

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Kevin Davies

10-25-2000 14:49:09




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Problem with 3-pt. hydraulic lift on 1961 Fordson Dexta in reply to Brian, 12-29-1999 02:31:36  
I also have experienced trouble with Dexta Hydraulics on both 1960 and a 1962 model. In both cases extensive cleaning of the filters were required as clog with grime and dirt. This provided better service to the arms unloaded but applying wieght to the arms resulted in the arms falling to lowest position and staying until wieght was taken off. This was cured by the renewal of all "O" rings inside the rear end and the top cover of the rear end. Hydraulic performance was then greatly improved and the lift on both tractors is still working and have given no problems since. There is also a valve inside the top cover which we experienced to stick occasionally, remedy was to remove the valve and apply engineers blue to it, refit and remove. Where the blue is missing the valve is tight in the orifice. This was cured by using a hand file and coarse emery cloth on the valve where it was oversized and by trying the valve again and again until it was a fit in the orifice. Since then there have been no problems with the valve sticking. I hope the information can possibly help you or any other person who experiences problems with Dexta hydraulic lifts.

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