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FMD w/Sherman backhoe-loader questions

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Stephen

12-12-1999 17:54:30




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I'm thinking of buying a FMD described by the seller as a 1962 (he's only had the tractor for five years and its history before that is obscure). The tractor is massive with the Sherman backhoe and loader. The owner is a homeowner who has been using it to pull stumps, move rocks, and grade his driveway. This along with making some terraced gardens and rock walls is what I'd be doing with it.

The first question I have is what year is it? Here's the serial number from the engine: 1410345.

Mostly the tractor seems to be in decent shape. One of the cables for rotating the backhoe broke and the seller is planning to replace both of them before any sale.

Other problems include: the generator is not charging the battery, the amp-meter moves just a bit into the positive when the engine is running. The front tires are bald and should probably be replaced (the back ones look great).

Th oil pressure is quite low, maybe 20 lbs at low idle. Is this normal?

The exhaust is just a straight pipe with no cover. Is it practical to replace this with a muffler with a flapper to keep out the rain? Will it actually be quieter?

I'd like to add power steering to it sometime. Anybody done this before? How hard is it?

The owner had installed a water heater in line with the cold water line to the block and stated that it worked great for a couple of weeks and then stopped working. Are these heaters reliable? Now he starts it with a shot of ether.

How much work is it to remove the backhoe? And would I find a PTO under it and be able to get a three-point hitch working?

If you want to see some pictures of the tractor look here:

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The>Link seller is asking $5000/bo. This looks like the best backhoe I can get for that much money. It looks much more sturdy than the ones that mount to a thre-point hitch.

Thanks for any advice!

-Stephen

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Ronald Sollome

10-22-2000 15:42:52




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 Re: FMD w/Sherman backhoe-loader questions in reply to Stephen, 12-12-1999 17:54:30  
Dear sirs; i own a 1954 800 ford tractor, with a sherman back hoe and front loader.i purchest it from a farmer who abused it. (the backhoe)i rebuilt the pump and started it i rember screaming its alive my first backhoe. since the tractor was in reasonable shape, good engine and front loader. i need it for work around my horse farm i've let my neighbor borrow it several times and he always blows the pump.we went to test the pressure and saw it was at 2500 psi tryed lowering it to 1500 and started at 500 and then 1000 and then it went to 50 psi tested just the pump then and still had 50 psi he thought the pto went so i removed the pump and gear box and the pto turns stongly would the small seal at the end of the pump(cessena) cause low pressure or is there another problem it worked befor and am sure it will work again. just stumped i,ve replaced the center plate cause of a crack each time he uses it and breakes the pump the center plate is fine but no pressure please contacte me at e-mail above thanks ron

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Don(CO)

12-13-1999 19:39:43




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 Re: FMD w/Sherman backhoe-loader questions in reply to Stephen, 12-12-1999 17:54:30  
Your tractor is a late 1956.



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Tom

12-13-1999 17:03:09




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 Re: FMD w/Sherman backhoe-loader questions in reply to Stephen, 12-12-1999 17:54:30  
Oil pres way low, about due for overhaul. Addition of power steering is not easy unless you can find one from another FMD no place to mount steering pump. And most manual steering boxes on these tractors are worn out, espesialy if it has a loader. New Parts are very hard to get for the box and may cost in excess of $300. The generator is a lucas and rebuild may cost in excess $100. It may or may not have a PTO some with backhoe were closed off or never ordered with them and a used set of 3pt may cost $300 to $400 if is a FMD. The hole thing is grossly overpriced. I just bought a FMD a couple mounth ago with loader and brush hog for $750. with about 400 hrs on engine rebuild. But had to replace steering parts and found that all used manual steering boxes had the same problem. It is not easy to rebuild either. All bearing replaced and worm and ballnut. The rest of the tractor is in good shape. But there a lot of good used backhoes out there for good price. Iam looking at a 65 int hav co in very good shape diesel power for $2250 ready to go with ps and shuttle drive and torque converter. I have found FMD not bad tractor for farm just not much good on loader or BH

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Stephen

12-13-1999 18:29:01




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 Re: Re: FMD w/Sherman backhoe-loader questions in reply to Tom, 12-13-1999 17:03:09  
Thanks for the info Tom,

> Oil pres way low, about due for overhaul.

What should the oil pressure be at low idle warmed up, and at a fast idle?

> most manual steering boxes on these tractors are worn out, espesialy > if it has a loader.

By worn out do you mean too much play in in the system? Were you able to rebuild yours?

> The hole thing is grossly overpriced. I just bought a FMD a couple > mounth ago with loader and brush hog for $750. with about 400 hrs > on engine rebuild.

That sounds like a great price. What area of the country do you live in? I am in the northeast.

> But there a lot of good used backhoes out there for good price. > Iam looking at a 65 int hav co in very good shape diesel power
> for $2250 ready to go with ps and shuttle drive and torque converter.

That also sounds like a great price. Maybe I should also be considering a used backhoe instead for the work I need to do now. Are there smaller models you'd recommend? What is a shuttle drive?

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Tom

12-13-1999 19:34:50




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 Re: Re: Re: FMD w/Sherman backhoe-loader questions in reply to Stephen, 12-13-1999 18:29:01  
> Oil pres way low, about due for overhaul.

What should the oil pressure be at low idle warmed up, and at a fast idle?

Mine Idles of not less than 35-40 FMD This one might just need a good oil change also
should use nothing less than 10-40 I like 15-50 Delo 400 diesel engines require higher oil pres thas gas due to the higher compresson ratio other diesel I have are 55-60 psi ildle hot

> most manual steering boxes on these tractors are worn out, espesialy if it has a loader.

By worn out do you mean too much play in in the system? Were you able to rebuild yours?

NO the worm that the ball nut runs on wears out in the center postion (ie straight ahead steer postion)had to buy a new one it cost $285 plus had have new bearings and bushings total was over $400 not including the fact I did the job (work myself) sure not a 5minute job either,

> The hole thing is grossly overpriced. I just bought a FMD a couple mouth ago with loader and brush hog for $750. with about 400 hrs on engine rebuild.


I live In Wa state and users here hate those tractors out here due to parts problems maybe other reasons too but I just dont Know why. I have been at farm auctions that they sold for $300 in rough condition running I think they went to the parts yards. The guy that I bought this one from was in Oregon and said he was trying to sell it for a year.

That sounds like a great price. What area of the country do you live in? I am in the northeast.

> But there a lot of good used backhoes out there for good price. > Iam looking at a 65 int hav co in very good shape diesel power > for $2250 ready to go with ps and shuttle drive and torque converter. That also sounds like a great price. Maybe I should also be considering a used backhoe instead for the work I need to do now. Are there smaller models you'd recommend? What is a shuttle drive? Maybe you should move to Washington?

I dont know all those old models just when I see them. The ones out of the early 60s seem to be the best bargins because the had the modern stuff on them but are typicly are not fitted with ROPs there fore are not allowed to work on any commericial jobs. For farm or private use and the farmers just wont pay anything for old stuff.

A shuttle box is where the machine has a go foward go backward lever and not have to shift the speeds ie gears 1-6

I would never pay that much for an old Fordson, they are just not worth it and out your way there should be a lot of good old BHoes John Deere case and IHC other american made ones are good to
just stay away from Ag tractors that have a hang on unit. I wouldnt pay more than $2500 for that fordson Bhoe, Mine isnt very good with the loader either, And Power steering is a absolute must on a loader, I got my tractor to use for cutting weeds and brush and it has already paid for itself doing that which it is very good at. Also I am going to get a duplex earth mover 2 yard scraper that it should handle easy the FMD seems to have a lot of power and you can see every thing real good. Hope that helps

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