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Larry Phillips

11-06-2001 21:53:45




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Well, I found out that my 3 pt. hitch is not working. I feel more than a little abused by the salesman at the place I bought it, since I made it quite clear that the 3pt was important to me. The previous owner states that it 'needs work'.

Without an owners or service manual (on order), I can only guess at the operation. There are two levers on the right side. One is directly under the right side of the seat, and the other is a little farther outboard, and runs in a sort of a retainer or guide. Activating either lever produces no action at all. There is a third lever, attached to what looks like an add-on hydraulic system consisting of two hoses. I don't have anything to test that part on.

My questions are:

What part is supposed to move when activated? The top link clevis? The lift arm clevises? Both?

Is the fact that the two lift arm linkages are at different angles of any significance?

Is it worth trying to repair?

Would pictures help any?

Thanks for any pointers you might have.

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Stephan

11-07-2001 00:01:17




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 Re: FSM - 3 Point Hitch not working in reply to Larry Phillips, 11-06-2001 21:53:45  
Well

Dit you engage the pto? is has to be running for the 3point to work? Long lever next to clutch pedal. Just a thought since your a newbie :-)



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Larry Phillips

11-07-2001 08:48:15




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 Re: Re: FSM - 3 Point Hitch not working in reply to Stephan, 11-07-2001 00:01:17  
I tried it with the PTO engaged, and it still has no action on the 3 pt. hitch when I twiddle the levers.

I did check the oil level with the dipstick I found near the clutch pedal, and it's below the 'Low' mark. The dipstick is marked 'TRANS' on the body, so I don't know if that's also the hydraulic oil. The oil on the dipstick is a sort of a cream colour, and looks like it could have some air in it.

While I wait for my manuals, could someone please tell me what type of oil should be in there, how much of it, and where the drain and fill holes are?


Thanks, Larry

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Stephan

11-07-2001 23:51:47




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 Re: Re: Re: FSM - 3 Point Hitch not working in reply to Larry Phillips, 11-07-2001 08:48:15  
You've got the richt dipstick for the rearend.
Drainplug underneath rearend about centered with the axl. Fill plug right side behind the seat next to the top link connection.
I use 10w30 universal oil on all parts of FSM
Might want too flush the rearend with some diesel
to get some of the crut out which will be in there. It takes about 40 liter on the rearend.

The small 2 position lever close to the rearend
housing is for switching position/draft control
it should be in the up position for position control. The larger lever in the quadrant (further outwards) then should lift the 3ph when you move it to the top of the quadrand.

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TH

11-08-2001 06:10:26




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: FSM - 3 Point Hitch not working in reply to Stephan, 11-07-2001 23:51:47  
The Fordson manual says that the rear and trans oil should be 80-90 wt. Does it make a difference if different kinf of oil is used? Is it harmful?


I'm not sure if this was said in the previous posts so I'll say it now: Larry, the rear and transmission oils are separate. The rear oil dipstick is the one reading TRANS in it. The transmission doesn't have a dipstick but there is a plug near the clutch pedal where the oil level can be checked. The draining plug of the trans is under the tractor in the bottom of the transmission case.

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Larry Phillips

11-08-2001 23:09:47




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: FSM - 3 Point Hitch not working in reply to TH, 11-08-2001 06:10:26  
Thanks folks. That should be enough info for me to change the rear oil.

I too wondered about the oil weight, and went ahead with buying 40 liters of 'trans hydraulic' oil (I sure hope changing the oil isn't too frequent a task! Not sure my wallet can stand it!)

Next task: finding out where I can recycle the old oil.

Regards, Larry



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Brian

11-09-2001 12:18:05




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: FSM - 3 Point Hitch not working in reply to Larry Phillips, 11-08-2001 23:09:47  
Larry,
You have got some good advise about your Major. The rear axle oil should be a Multi use 30/50 not 90W. That spec went out around 1956. My Major still has the gearbox and axle oil that was put in 1952.

Water in your oil is the reason for the white colour. It could also be the reason that your lift is not working. The Super Major had a slightly more complicated lift than the earlier Majors and it is quite possible that the little valves have stuck. You need first to find out if you have any oil pressure from the pump.

Start your tractor, run it just over tick over and pull the lever that works the "add on" bit with the pipes on. You should here a slight slow down or working of the engine. If you don't, check you have the PTO in gear and your foot off the clutch.

Hope you have not put the new oil in yet as your next place to check is underneath. Where the drain plug fits is a round plate held up with four bolts, not the big oblong plate, the round one.

Drain the oil, take out the bolts and drop this plate. On it should be the oil filter screen. Clean this, replace the plate using instant gasket, refill with oil and try again the test with the lever. If this was the problem, everything should work OK. If not be prepared for some heavy lifting. The top will have to come off.

regards

Brian

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Larry Phillips

11-09-2001 16:05:26




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: FSM - 3 Point Hitch not working in reply to Brian, 11-09-2001 12:18:05  
Brian, Thanks for the comments.

> The rear axle oil should be a Multi use 30/50 not 90W.

Hmm... I picked up something called Trans-Hydraulic Fluid, and I don't know what weight it is. On the containers, it states that it is a "multi-purpose fluid for farm and industrial applications requiring a common transmission/differential/hydraulic fluid. It meets or exceeds the general duty requirements for all original equipment manufacturers. This includes ..." and it goes on, giving a number of tractor types. Hope it's the right stuff.

I tried pulling up the 3 pt hitch lever while at idle, with the PTO and clutch engaged, and there is no difference in the sound of the engine, and no other sounds that change either.

I have not yet put the new oil in. I have to find containers for the old oil, and (now that you mention it) some instant gasket.

I'll try that screen as soon as I can.

By the way, the lift arms are at quite different angles. I would have thought that the linkage between them would be solid, leading me to believe that they were mounted that way at some previous time for reasons unknown.

Regards, Larry

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Brian

11-10-2001 08:56:46




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: FSM - 3 Point Hitch not working in reply to Larry Phillips, 11-09-2001 16:05:26  
Larry,
The lift arms have master splines so if the arms are at different angles someone has forced them on. The shaft they are mounted on is about 3" thick so it is unlikely that it has twisted. Splines could be worn but is pretty rare.

The oil should be ok. Most people over here use an oil that covers for engine/gearbox and rear axle/hydraulics called Multi Use. Supplied by all the oil manufacturers. Its fairly cheap. Some of the oils for later tractors start to go up in price. These old Majors will stand a little "abuse" as the oil technology of the day was behind what we have today so you do not need "SuperDuper" oils.

regards

Brian

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tooly

11-09-2001 18:46:12




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: FSM - 3 Point Hitch not working in reply to Larry Phillips, 11-09-2001 16:05:26  
I have run into a case where the gear that drives the pump simply came off!

might be worthwile to check this once your oil is drained.
to do this pull the pto shaft out, and you will see the gear. It is driven by a gear on the pto shaft. You could also check the pump for ease of turning, at the same time.
Good Luck



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Larry Phillips

11-07-2001 06:35:51




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 Re: Re: FSM - 3 Point Hitch not working in reply to Stephan, 11-07-2001 00:01:17  
Ahh... didn't know the PTO had to be running. I will try that this morning. As for the 'newbie' thing, yes, I am a complete newbie, so no suggestion can be considered too basic for me.

Thanks, Larry



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Dennis

11-07-2001 12:53:51




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 Re: Re: Re: FSM - 3 Point Hitch not working in reply to Larry Phillips, 11-07-2001 06:35:51  
I am also a newbie but will say that milky looking fluid means water present and with any luck that is your problem, changed mine when I got my 8N and that stopped the erratic hydraulics, though it needs a change again since its stored outside and used little.

Not sure if that could actually cause no lift, but give it a try, any implement dealer should be able to tell you what type to use.

If you end up actually needing repair, drain, save and r

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john nelson

11-07-2001 15:25:11




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: FSM - 3 Point Hitch not working in reply to Dennis, 11-07-2001 12:53:51  
the milkey oil usually indicates water in the oil, when that happens sometimes the link to the control valve under pump pulles out of the lift arm because the valve is stuck, it can usually be freeded up and workes fine, the oil is 90 wt gear grease, it probably holds 5 gal. there is usually some scum or junk in the crankcase, while you have the side covers off try to get some of it out.



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