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Joel Mattingly

10-28-2000 21:13:45




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I need a motor for a County Super 6,does anyone know where I could locate one? would consider a whole tractor.Will a four cylinder out of a Super Major fit with out any problems? I live in kentucky in the U.S. Thanks for any help!




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joel

10-29-2000 13:40:10




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 Re: County super 6 in reply to Joel Mattingly, 10-28-2000 21:13:45  
Thank you to all for the information,there are several combine salvage yards around here I'll check with some of them first.what model combine should I be looking for?I don't know much about the ford combines



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Steven B

10-29-2000 20:44:45




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 Re: Re: County super 6 in reply to joel, 10-29-2000 13:40:10  
Joel

Combines produced after 1964 will have the Dorset engine. Combines made right into the 1980's will have this engine, so you should get somthing. This looks like the Fordson engine but the Injector pump bolts dirctly to the timing gear housing. One of these engines will work with slight modification to the front engine mounts.

The engine you should have is a 1962 to 1964. The 1957 to 1961 will also work, but this engine has a pneumatic govenor, again, no big deal. The 1962-1964 engine also has the letters "FL" cast on the cylinder head near no1 and no2 injectors. See my description in a post below.

Just as a thought, there would be one advantage with a Dorset, parts are easier to get. The Dorset replaced the 510E Thames Trader Diesel, and it has dry sleeves and is slightly more powerfull. This engine was produced in various forms from 1965 to about 1995. Later engines did not have sleeves.(Post 1970).
Best of luck and keep us all posted.
Steven B

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Leo

11-01-2000 04:11:18




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 Re: Re: Re: County super 6 in reply to Steven B, 10-29-2000 20:44:45  
I did the opposite to you, many years ago. I bought a new County Super 4 and then put a 6 cyl. (590e motor in it) Had to extend bonnet and side rails. I still have it in my collection. It has just over 2500 hour on clock. They were a very good machine in their time but needed a big field to turn it. Fordson Super Major engine should bolt in easily. Leo W. (Australia)



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LEO

11-11-2000 00:20:57




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: County super 6 in reply to Leo, 11-01-2000 04:11:18  
Re my comment on County super 6, my wife answered incorrectly. A county super 6 had a 590E 6 cyl. Thames and ind. engine which was two cyl. longer than a Super Major (4 cyl. engine) Super Major engine will not bolt in because it is too short by 10" approx.
The underbeam on a Super 6 is longer than a Super 4. The sump on 590e fitted into Super 6 was specially built and no other sump is interchangeable. The only way around is manufacture a special sump. For the same reason a 2700 engine WILL NOT fit, as the sump and oil pick up are in a different position. Oil pump is in the approx. location of front axle and although engine is a lot more durable, the later they got you would have to do some major mods. to fit around sump area. Leo

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Don(CO)

10-29-2000 07:49:02




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 Re: County super 6 in reply to Joel Mattingly, 10-28-2000 21:13:45  
Joel: If your Super Six is based on the Super Major skid unit... Steven is correct that the original engine will be the Ford Dagenham 590E six cylinder diesel. This engine is rated at 95 barrel horsepower. If your super six is a later model.. based on the Ford 5000 skid unit... it should have the Ford 2703E diesel engine. This is the County Super Six 954.

The 590E engine is a very common engine in England... used extensively in Ford Thames trucks or lorries, and also used in Ford combines. Your best bet in the United States, will be to look for Ford combines in scrapyards... and see if you can come up with a 590E if the back half of your tractor is just like a Super Major.

Records indicate that only 18 County Super Sixes were imported to the USA. Exclusively through Southern Ford Tractor based in Florida. However, many used Super Sixes have found their way into the United States from Canada. There were several Super Sixes at the big Ford show in LeSeuer, Minnesota last year. That longer stroke, six cylinder engine is so smooth compared to the 220 cid four cylinder engine. They are a fun tractor.

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Steven B

10-28-2000 22:10:13




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 Re: County super 6 in reply to Joel Mattingly, 10-28-2000 21:13:45  
The engine in your County is a six cylinder version of the Fordson Super Major engine, and was used primarily in English Ford trucks. I don't know of a scource in the US, I have a couple of those engines but live in Australia. The four will fit but you will have to shorten the side frames etc, and it would be a lot of messing around.

What is wrong with your engine? Most of the parts from the four cylinder will fit the six.

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Joel

10-28-2000 22:44:20




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 Re: Re: County super 6 in reply to Steven B, 10-28-2000 22:10:13  
I purchased this tractor from a salvage yard with the motor missing.I knew the engine would be hard to find because of the limited number of them shipped over.It was an odd version is why we bought it.I know somewhat about the majors as we have two of them.Information on the county 6's is hard to find



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Steven B

10-29-2000 00:49:42




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 Re: Re: Re: County super 6 in reply to Joel, 10-28-2000 22:44:20  
There is a guy called Don that posts here a lot, he is from the US and he has a couple of Super Sixes. He may know of a place.

Like I said before, the engine is a strech version of the Super Major. There is another big six that fits easily but I am not sure of the avialability in the US. They is also an English Ford truck called the "Cargo" that has a 360 and 380 CID six. These trucks were built from 1983 to 1995. They are simlar and will fit without too much hassle. The original engine is a 330 CID six cylinder diesel. They are rated at 100hp at 2400rpm but I think they are derated to 85hp at 1800rpm in the tractors.

Ah yes, another idea, these engines were also sold in New Holland and CLAAS combine harvesters, The engine you want is a 1962-1964. Like I said, the later version fits. Try some place that wrecks combines.

Keep posting if you have no luck, and keep me posted, I will try to think of somthing else.

Steven

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Bill S.

10-29-2000 04:44:37




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: County super 6 in reply to Steven B, 10-29-2000 00:49:42  
That "other" engine is the Dorset Ford engine. I owned one of them years ago in a lobster boat. They were very popular with the New England and east coast Canadian working watermen. It was a wonderful engine and very economical. The distributor for them is Northeast Ford in Glocester, Mass. They should be able to offer anything you wish. I would also consider a wanted ad in newspapers and advertisers from Cape Cod up thru Nova Scotia. I could offer some more specifics of where to inquire if you call or write offlist. My # 302-541-0399 and my offlist is . Just an added note, I have a 1969 Ford bread truck/step van with the earlier 4cyl Dorset engine in it. Did the Super Six have the turbo version? They were 180 hp. as industrial/marine engines. Later I think they went even higher. BTW, Barr, and another, Lehman sold the conversion parts for these engines to marine use. Probably others too. You tractor sounds exciting, I would definately go for the 6cyl edition. Bill

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Bill S.

10-29-2000 05:01:14




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: County super 6 in reply to Bill S., 10-29-2000 04:44:37  
Another contact for engine and/or parts is Northern Power Products 1-800-284-6247 in Minn. Good luck. Bill



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Steven B

10-29-2000 12:09:25




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: County super 6 in reply to Bill S., 10-29-2000 05:01:14  
Yes, a Dorset will do. They can be had in 330CID, 360CID, 380CID, and 360CID Turbo, the four cylinder Dorset was not use in this model tractor.

The engine you want is identical to a Super Major Engine except two extra cylinders. Identify it as follows,

The Cylinder head will have a nunber 510E on he injector pump drive side.

The injector pump is mounted half ways bach down the engine and there is an external drive shaft to the injector pump.

This engine has the same bore and stroke as the 220CID four, thus its 330CID. It shares bearings, pistons, rings, con rods, injectors and timing gears with the Fordson. Obviously the sump and head gaskets are not the same.

Steven

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Huub

11-20-2000 14:20:08




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: County super 6 in reply to Steven B, 10-29-2000 12:09:25  
If you use a 590E engine from a combine (option in New Holland M103, M133 and M135), the aluminium sump will not fit correctly to the lower part of the gearbox housing because of the different hole placement (on the gearbox, the holes are not exactly on a radius but on a kind of oval form). If you can furnish a cast iron sump of a 4 cyl. engine, you can cut this in 2 pieces and weld it carefully together with additional material and with special electrodes. Let me know if you need dimensions of the original aluminium sump of the County Super Six or any other information about the Super Six. The cast numbers on the engine block behind/below injection pump are 508E6015, the cast numbers on the head 510E-6050-E, as Steven already mentioned. Huub

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joel

11-23-2000 17:32:04




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: County super 6 in reply to Huub, 11-20-2000 14:20:08  
Thank you for the information.Will the original pan of the super 6 fit the later model motor?The salvage yard that I got it from has some of the parts,the crankshaft has been sold,but they may have the sump and pan.Is the correct pan cast iron or aluminum? So I will know what to look for.Thank you for any and all information.



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Huub

11-26-2000 13:03:16




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: County super 6 in reply to joel, 11-23-2000 17:32:04  
Joel, if you give me your E-mail adress, I can send you some pictures of the original sump for the County Super Six (on Super Major base). This sump is an aluminium one and cannot be changed with a sump of a 27xx series engine (built in Ford x000). Regards, Huub



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