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Another Fordson ASP quiz (long)

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John-Paul (Finl

04-25-2000 05:14:40




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Hello all!

Well as you might have supposed, the Easter break has brought a harvest of new questions from the not-so-frozen-anymore North. After the popularity of the last quiz, it seems that it would be fun to give people another chance to display their tractor-related analytical skills.

Questions relate to a '55 Fordson Major, with '59 Power Major engine and '60 Transmission.

1. To change from high to low on the Primary Gearbox, I push the lever DOWN. This tractor does not exhibit any symptoms of having a dual clutch. Discuss what kind of surprises may be in store when I renew the clutch on this "combination of tractors".
(100 points).

2. The transmission breather bolt is fitted through the front fuel tank mounting bracket, on the right hand side, going horizontally into the steering gear housing. Is this the correct location for this special bolt? (50 points)
If not, A. Could it be the cause of gearbox oil leaking from the split-pin hole?
(50 points)
B. Does it matter that it has been this way for a loooong time? (50 points)

3. A harsh grating sound can be heard when driving. This occurs in all gears. Originally I assumed this to be the right hand brake drum, but this is not the case. It appears to be coming from the gearbox or back axle. If I raise the rear of the tractor (after three dear, one-two-three LIFT!) and rotate the back wheels, a rumbling may be heard from the gearbox, but nothing like the scraping sound that occurs when driving (alright darling you can put it down now). Generally the scraping sound becomes much less once I put my foot on the clutch, but doesn't go away entirely. However, interestingly it's actually at it's worst when rolling backwards down a hill in forward gear, with my foot on the clutch.

Multiple Choice:

A. This is the famous "Fordson Scrape" which was designed into these machines by a pair of bored engineers for a bit of a laugh.
(800 points, if correct)
B. This is somehow clutch related, and will go away when I fix the clutch, which does slip a bit. I shall of course change the release bearing and "eye bearing" (translation from Finnish) at the same time.
(500 points, if correct) C. There are bearings breaking up in the gearbox.
(150 points, if correct)
D. There are bearings breaking up in the gearbox, and it's going to be tough to fix.
(50 points, if correct)
E. The answer involves something I don't want to know, possibly involving the terms "rear axle", "bearings", "oil like grinding paste", "hydraulic pump", "invoice", and "almighty great big" (but not necessarily in that order).
(5 points, if correct)


4a. Does the fuel lift pump act as a sediment trap? (50 points)

4b. When I work the hand lever, I get a sort of "novelty snowstorm" effect in the glass bowl. Are there any surprises here if I try to clean this out?
(50 points)

I suppose that that's enough for now, I shall keep the rest of the questions so that we have something for a thrilling instalment next month!

Many thanks, as always!

John-Paul

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ezra

04-11-2002 10:28:17




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 Re: Another Fordson ASP quiz (long) in reply to John-Paul (Finland), 04-25-2000 05:14:40  
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Brian

04-25-2000 11:46:20




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 Re: Another Fordson ASP quiz (long) in reply to John-Paul (Finland), 04-25-2000 05:14:40  
John-Paul,
I suppose we have got to get used to diagnosis via the net. Normally I would just put my ear to the rear axle and say "ar bor thet be your old flugelshaft bearing hitting on the grommet-futuck. That will be £500 quid" Its a bit more difficult this way.
Paper 2 Question 1 (Sorry I am a bit late with the answers but I had to plough a few acres and plant potatoes over the week end). Chris is right Low is up, High is Down, Normal clutch.
2. Chris is right again (Blast I shall have to watch this lad)(And he comes from Suffolk)(Still their football team is on the way down. Not like Norwich City WHO THRASHED THEM A FEW WEEKS AGO). (Sorry about that, the tablets took some time to work .
3. As the noise is there in all gears and lessens when the power is off:
1.Diff.pinion bearings.
2.Backlash between crownwheel and pinion.
3.If the backend has been stripped and rebuilt, someone may not have shimmed behind the bull pinion shaft houseings correctly. Therefore the backlash between the crownwheel and pinion may be either too little or too much.
4. Bull pinion bearings.
5. Half shaft bearings.
6. Have you a transmission hand brake? If the plates are worn or even the spring loose this could be your problem.
7. Few old cans of beans Mr Heinz just threw in.

Does the noise vary when you turn left or right under power?

As there was no panic posting like "What are all these metal pieces, balls, teeth, filings etc doing in my rear axle filter"? I would suggest don't panic. (Yet).
Your point about rolling backwards downhill with no power on and foot on clutch. Don't. We need you to lighten our lives with these quizzes.
The gears in the box do clatter around a bit.Both when under power and when running free.

4b. Clean out tank by removing tap and letting diesel run down your arm. Flush well.
regards
Brian
PS Has Brunhilda read the latest Manual Handling European Health and Safety Legislation?

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John-Paul

04-26-2000 04:15:58




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 Re: Re: Another Fordson ASP quiz (long) in reply to Brian, 04-25-2000 11:46:20  
Brian and Chris, thanks very much!

I think you both get full points this time...

It looks firstly as though my I&T manual is in error, I'm sure it says that it should be "high up and low down" for a single clutch. Anyway as it's the way that you two expected it to be, then there obviously isn't a problem.

As far as the transmission breather bolt goes, it looks as though at the moment I have a 'steering gear breather bolt' doesn't it?! I shall put it back in its correct location later this evening. Or then perhaps a steering gear breather is a good idea; it must have been getting pretty hot in there with all the rolling backwards down hills I've been doing. Frantic business, I can tell you!

I'm starting to worry less about that scraping noise too. Brian is right, I have cleaned the hyd pump mesh filter, and there were no nasties there. Just sludge, and a few very tiny pieces of stone grit, and perhaps one or two microscopic metal flakes (I wish I'd known about the magnetic bolts though, before I put the oil in). Anyway I didn't find nearly as much metal as came out of my Shogun gearbox when I changed the oil in that, and I'm not worried about that at all.

With ear muffs on I notice that the scraping only happens at really low speed; drive faster and it becomes a more normal gear-train whine. Chris - no, it can't be heard off the tractor, unless it's at crawling speed and the observer is walking just immediately behind. Driving down the road, it just sounds both from the seat and from the kerb, like an old tractor.

Brian: Much as I'd like to, I think there's no way I can get to the UK this summer. Too much to do here, and too little money. T'd be great though...

Chris: Yes, I have every intention of keeping this quiz up - it't the only way I'm going to be able to fix my tractor!

Regards to everyone

J-P

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Chris in suffolk

04-25-2000 07:27:43




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 Re: Another Fordson ASP quiz (long) in reply to John-Paul (Finland), 04-25-2000 05:14:40  
John-Paul

1. For a single clutch Power major up is low and down is High. Where a double clutch is fitted the situation is reversed, up is high and down is low...this is somthing to do with the primary shafts being very different...therefore expect a single clutch?

2. The breather bolt on my PM is set vertically on the LHS below the tank ( as viewed from the seat)

3. Can't (wouldn't like to !) realy say except that they all groan a bit. In my case it only applies to low ratios and most in 1st/2nd. I also get a low rumble from on rear wheel bearings. There are quite a few grease points around the drive shafts and brake drive shafts ( I forget what they are atually called). Can your noise be heard off the tractor when in motion?

4. Yes the pump does act as a sediment trap, with the glass off there should be a gold colored metal filter inside.(don't forget to prime the fuel system afterwards).


Keep this Quiz alive J-P you've got a good idea there.

Chris.

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John-Paul

04-25-2000 06:19:28




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 Re: Another Fordson ASP quiz (long) in reply to John-Paul (Finland), 04-25-2000 05:14:40  
ERRATA!

Question 1 Should read...
"To change from LOW to HIGH..."

...sorry for the confusion

J-P



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