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Super major with standard Major engine?

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Richard Hare

04-28-2008 20:41:38




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Hi again,
I wondered if anyone Can help with ID of engine in the old Super Major I just aquired?

Rear end is definitely super, But engine has a serial number on block that appears cut with a chisel!

and no "ABC or D's present.

The # is;
1590737.

Lower on block is a cast number;
EIADDN-6050-G

and cast into block low centre;
EIADDN6015-a T3
I know these last letters etc. are probably a waste of time, but I wanted to find out what block I had, in case I need the info when I get injectors serviced.

If anyone can enlighten me on what I have, that would be great!

Thank you,

Richard.

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Bernie Perry

05-08-2008 15:38:47




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 Re: Super major with standard Major engine? in reply to Richard Hare, 04-28-2008 20:41:38  
I purchased a major and was told it was believed to be a 1960. gas job. It appears that the engine may have been replaced. The serial # on the engine is S460553 or 8460553 and on the bottom of the block on same side there is a number EIADDN6015 G



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Mike Farmer

05-04-2008 12:35:51




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 Re: Super major with standard Major engine? in reply to Richard Hare, 04-28-2008 20:41:38  
Reference your radiator cowl. Lots of sources in UK. get acopy of 'Tractor and Machinery'for adds. Good used ones are very rare and new ones are approx Glass Fibre £120($240)Real pressed steel £240 ($480)Try Email to rjbpocock@btinternet.com I know he deals with the new ones. MTF



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Mike Farmer

05-02-2008 12:26:50




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 Re: Super major with standard Major engine? in reply to Richard Hare, 04-28-2008 20:41:38  
Hi a lot of engine numbers appear to be chiselled into plate. If your number is correct the engine was manufactured February 1961. They started to use letters November 1961 MTF



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Bendee

04-30-2008 06:30:17




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 Re: Super major with standard Major engine? in reply to Richard Hare, 04-28-2008 20:41:38  
You still may have a FSM because the change of the numbering system did not correspond with a change of model. So its possible to have the early FSM with 7 numbers. The number represents February 1961.
Those other numbers are Ford Part numbers but should be E1[one]ADDN...a parts catalogue should identify it.
Information purposes.....The new numbering system was reduced from 7 to 6 numbers commencing 11/61 with a prefix and suffix e.g.08A-300001-M.The suffix represents the month of manufacture alphabetically.
A to N [delete I and J]
The prefix 08 remains constant but the A denoting 1961
changes to B for 1962 and so on. HTH

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Richard Hare

04-30-2008 21:40:22




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 Re: Super major with standard Major engine? in reply to Bendee, 04-30-2008 06:30:17  
Great information Bendee,

Thank you so much!
Saw your reply after I'd sent codes to T'n'T

Best wishes,

R.



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hector gemme

04-29-2008 09:01:12




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 Re: Super major with standard Major engine? in reply to Richard Hare, 04-28-2008 20:41:38  
I dismantle 2 FORSON motor for parts if I can help.

HECTOR



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tiresntracks

04-29-2008 06:11:16




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 Re: Super major with standard Major engine? in reply to Richard Hare, 04-28-2008 20:41:38  
Did you get that number off the block below the front injector? Those numbers were stamped into the block with number punches. If yours was made with a chisel, someone may have replaced the block. The first Super Major was 1575886 (I think), yours is a Super number, but I don't know what year or month. There should be a casting code on the right side of the block, behind the generator. It should be a letter, a number, then another letter. That will tell you when the block was cast.

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tiresntracks

04-29-2008 19:22:35




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 Re: Super major with standard Major engine? in reply to tiresntracks, 04-29-2008 06:11:16  
I meant to say that the casting code is on the left side of the block, not the right. I shouldn't type when I'm almost asleep. There's also casting codes on the front of each axle housing and on top of the 3-point lift cover, under the seat. If these are fairly close together, the tractor is probably all original. If one part was cast years before or after the others, it has probably been replaced. This is handy information to have, especially if you're buying engine parts.

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Richard Hare

04-30-2008 06:27:31




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 Re: Super major with standard Major engine? in reply to tiresntracks, 04-29-2008 19:22:35  
Thank you chaps for all the help.
This site is a gold mine of information!

The only thing I don't understand is why the posts seem to appear in random order.
Normally one sees the posts in order they are sent, but these seem mixed up.....

Hector G,
Thank you for the kind offer of parts!
I'll e-mail you if I need anything.
I know some push-rods are bent, but should straighten OK.

Maxpower,
Thank you for your help again. It's great having guys share their knowlege! Been looking in archives, Tons of info in there too!

Tiresntracks,
Yes, the chisseled in S/N was on block below #1 injector.
I checked on opposite side above generator, and casting code is; B8F

I will look at other places you mentioned, and check the codes today.
Thank you for this information!
Also, thanks for help with the serial numbers of the very first supers.

May I ask why the FM is your favourite tractor?

Also, do you know of a source for a radiator cowl? (This one's nearly past fixing, had front chopped off with cutting torch...)

Thanks again for all the help.
The injectors should be ready to pick up today or tommorow at latest, then we can see if we have any improvements!

All the best,
R.

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tiresntracks

04-30-2008 22:48:09




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 Re: Super major with standard Major engine? in reply to Richard Hare, 04-30-2008 06:27:31  
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Richard,
We had a ranch when I was growing up and one of the tractors we had was a ‘55 Major. When I was young, I liked the sound of the engine and I liked to watch the exhaust turn dark when it was pulling hard. When I got a little older I found out that it was the easiest starting tractor that we had. If you pushed the excess fuel button and had a decent battery, it would start right up, no matter how cold it was. It also burned the least fuel of any of our tractors. We never had to work on it, just did normal maintenance. We overhauled the engine once, but that was just because we wore it out. I’ve liked Majors ever since. We don’t have a ranch anymore, but I do have a few Majors.

I have a radiator cowl that has a dent in it, that I would part with, but with the cost of shipping, you would probably be better off to find one closer to you.

Its hard to get bent pushrods perfectly straight again, but I have straightened them before and they worked OK. If you find a set of good ones while you’re looking for other parts for your Major, it wouldn’t hurt to buy them. I hope the old girl runs great when you get the injectors back in it.

P.S. Is this what the serial numbers look like on yours, or are they rougher?

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Richard Hare

05-01-2008 07:25:32




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 Re: Super major with standard Major engine? in reply to tiresntracks, 04-30-2008 22:48:09  
Thank you for reply, TnT,

Yes, I think the serial# looks like that, with real wonkey 'O's and all..
I'll take another look to be sure.

We had a '54 Fordson Major when I was little. Dad bought it in '59.
Selectoer was worn between 4th & reverse as it'd worked in a quarry and only used these gears.

We replaced pistons and sleeves once , and rings twice and it was still going strong when we came to Canada in '84.
I too always like the sound of the engine and the easy starting.
Thanks for cowl offer, I'll see what turns up around here, and let you know.

Thanks again and all the best!

Richard.

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maxpower

04-30-2008 09:40:43




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 Re: Super major with standard Major engine? in reply to Richard Hare, 04-30-2008 06:27:31  
cowls are still available from several sources new, but tend to be pricy and would of course determin where you are located? several junk yards also may have them, like allstates in the mid-west usa and british tractor wreckers in Canada.



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Richard Hare

04-30-2008 21:09:15




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 Re: Super major with standard Major engine? in reply to maxpower, 04-30-2008 09:40:43  
Thanks for the contacts Maxpower,
I've found someone local who may have some parts, but should be able to scrounge up what's needed one way or another.



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Richard Hare

04-30-2008 21:19:07




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 Re: Super major with standard Major engine? in reply to Richard Hare, 04-30-2008 21:09:15  
Tiresntrcks,

Heres the casting codes;

Block; B 8 F,

Axles; B 15 F

Clutch housing, B 14 F
(Above left of Trans. filler)
So it looks like all the parts marry up.

So is this 8th to 15th Feb, 1961?

Thanks again for your help It's amazing how much info there is here!



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tiresntracks

04-30-2008 21:45:23




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 Re: Super major with standard Major engine? in reply to Richard Hare, 04-30-2008 21:19:07  
Richard,
Yes, they were all cast between the 8th and the 15th of Feb. 1961. All those parts are probably the originals. I'll post a list soon, of all the casting codes that I have for Majors. It looks like you have a Super Major made between Feb. and Nov. of '61. I don't have a serial number book, but I'll bet someone reading this does, and they can tell you exactly when it was made.



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Richard Hare

05-01-2008 22:01:16




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 Re: Super major with standard Major engine? in reply to tiresntracks, 04-30-2008 21:45:23  
Thanks for the info T'n'T.

Found another casting code on lid under the seat, it is another B 8 F, so all appears original.
Injectors not turned up yet, but I've drained the oil from the injector pump...it was nearly full!(Vacuum operated governer type)

I have a lead on some parts, will see what turns up!

Best wishes,
R.



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Richard Hare

04-29-2008 06:10:02




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 Re: Super major with standard Major engine? in reply to Richard Hare, 04-28-2008 20:41:38  
Thank you for reply, Maxpower!

I gather this will be the 220 engine then.

Can you tell me what horsepower the mk 111 developed?

Cheers max,

R.



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maxpower

04-29-2008 09:48:32




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 Re: Super major with standard Major engine? in reply to Richard Hare, 04-29-2008 06:10:02  
rich 1959 tests on the Mark III power major were 47 Belt HP 43 Drawbar

the first Power Major s/n 1481091
the first Super Major s/n 08A 300001M



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maxpower

05-03-2008 17:13:42




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 Re: Super major with standard Major engine? in reply to maxpower, 04-29-2008 09:48:32  
actually i got the info from tractdata



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tiresntracks

04-29-2008 19:00:32




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 Re: Super major with standard Major engine? in reply to maxpower, 04-29-2008 09:48:32  
Hi maxpower,
It looks like you are getting your serial number information from this web site. This is an excellent site, but with all the information there is here, they are bound to get some of it wrong. The first Super Major was made in Oct. 1960, serial number 1575886. There were no Power Majors made after that, because Major models didn't overlap each other. Each new model was an upgrade on the one before it. Fordson changed their numbering system in 1961 from all numbers, to numbers and letters. The first one with the new numbering was 08A300001, but it wasn't the first Super Major. All this really isn't that important, but Majors have always been my favorite tractors and I've learned a lot about them over the years. I thought I'd pass on some of what I've learned, because that is what this BB is about.

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maxpower

04-29-2008 05:24:32




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 Re: Super major with standard Major engine? in reply to Richard Hare, 04-28-2008 20:41:38  
appears to be a Mark III engine from a 1961 power Major.



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