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Rant -Hate to Do THIS

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wayneb

07-12-2007 11:59:03




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Have a 62 SuperDexta that I bought - Engine was locked up. Tight.

Took about three months with the head off, working it a couple milimeters at the flywheel and applying penetrating oil, but finally it broke loose. There was little damage to the liners. Little wear, no ridge. But, dang, I already have the head off...

Got busy on the job, and never at home, no time, and there it sat in my enclosed trailer for nearly two years. I now have to move to another state, and it has to come out of the trailer for outside storage.

Just don"t have time to tear it down, do it right, the machine shop, liners out and in, etc. Might need a new clutch, likely many more new parts. Definitely will rebuild the injectors at rebuild. I definely have more important things right now.

But for now, gotta put it together. It might run good. Might not run at all.

I can"t move with it in pieces. Think it will take half a day to put it back together and either get it running or leave it. The last Dexta I did took a couple of weeks waiting on machine work, parts. I don"t have that time.
Got the new rebuild kit. Just no time.

Rant. Hate doing this.

Wayne

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WayneB

07-13-2007 11:15:16




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 It RUNS! Won't throttle in reply to wayneb, 07-12-2007 11:59:03  
Pulled it 2-3 feet popped the clutch and it fired up and ran WIDE OPEN! I originally had the throttle pulled wide open. Pushing it to idle had no affect. I tried to use the engine kill, but the effect was not obvious, and I jumped to smother it.

The hose from breather to intake popped a hole on this THROTTLE-UP. I just jerked the torn pipe off. I used a thick piece of cardboard I had placed on my seat and smothered the engine down. Smoke was not black and oil smelling. Oil level was the same after several runs.

QUESTION: On the super dexta (62) with the manual Simms injector pump, does the air filter aid to throttle the engine? I could throttle it down with the card-board. Do I have a defective injector pump, or will it always throttle up if the air is not balanced with the filter?

It is not oil smoke, its fuel being burned. The engine heated up pretty fast.

Not a lot of time each run attempt to analyse this. Guess I first need to know if the air induction throttles it up? I know on my 59 with Pneumatic governor, it does, but there is a butterfly in the intake. There is not one on this engine.
It runs. Compression does not seem to be an issue. When you can pull it a few feet, pop the clutch, compression is there. Any ideas?
Wayne
Wayne

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WayneB

07-13-2007 16:46:54




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 Fixed: Never Mind in reply to WayneB, 07-13-2007 11:15:16  
Replaced the air induction hose. Improved, but still over-revving.
Pulled the side cover on the injector pump, sprayed penetrating fluid and loosed the govenor linkage. It idles down, and works fine.
Runs good.
Wayne



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WayneB

07-13-2007 17:38:32




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 CASE CLOSED. in reply to WayneB, 07-13-2007 16:46:54  
Tractor runs good.
I pulled the injector pump side cover, there was rust build-up that prevented the governor lever sliding. Sprayed penetrating fluid, and moved the lever; disloding the corrosion. It de-throttled.
All I have done is cleaned the head and lapped the valves. and put it together.
Of course, honed out the cylinders good, put a headgasket & valve cover, and thermostat gastet on.

Got it running right NOW, and idling nice.

About four years ago, I bought this tractor sight unseen for $420, thinking it was good for parts. When I first saw it, I was shocked at the good condition.

Yesterday, I decided that doing it right, and putting in that rebuild kit was too much time, which simply I do not have. Plus I needed it together to park it outside. Got other projects to do before moving.

The tractor charges, the charge light works, starter works, temperature gage works. The horn even works. Has the DAR remote kit. Need a key for the switch (used a small screwdriver).

This tractor has a working emergency brake. Transmission is fairly tight. Double clutch and diff lock works.

5600 hours on tach, with no tach cable. How many more hours? The engine has not been rebuilt yet or the mechanic was a perfectionist. I'm leaning toward this being about those many hours above.

Tractor had been used for orchard work. Oh, yeah the FNH dealer wanted $65 for that air induction hose, for back-order. Ouch. Stopped at a part store, bought a similar shaped auto hose and used it.

Who knows how long it will run now?

It'll be parked outside for now. Tomorrow, I buy a battery, and change a few fluids.

Most times, the problems cost more to fix.
I was lucky on this one. Really. Wayne

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WayneB

07-13-2007 11:41:38




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 How the filter works - Fordson page info in reply to WayneB, 07-13-2007 11:15:16  
How vacuum oil filter work - from the Fordson Dexta Page. "When the engine starts, it sucks a certain amount of the oil out of the cup allowing it to coat the packed-in metal "shavings". This packing causes a massive increase in the amount of oil soaked surface area available to stop dirt particles. The cannister is designed to be the correct height to allow the proper weight oil to not be sucked into the engine but only pulled to the top of the can. Uncleaned air is sucked in by the same vacuum that draws the oil up on the "shavings". The air is drawn downward towards the oil sump at the bottom of the cannister, usually through a center pipe. Any particles that are truly "large" will likely continue down into the oil left at the bottom of the cup and be trapped. The small dirt particles are trapped on the oil soaked "shavings" as the air moves upward through the outer cannister. If the correct weight oil is in the cup, the end result is that the air leaves the top of the cannister clean.

Potential Problems. The first problem comes with using the wrong weight oil. (Have clean cannister and 15W40) Use of oil that is too light will cause the oil to be drawn beyond the filter and into the engine. Use of oil that is too heavy will not allow the oil to be drawn up far enough and much of the air cleaning surface area ends up being unused. Manufacturer owner manuals always show the oil weight that is designed for the system. Engineering of the system (we hope) will have picked just the right weight for the size of the cannister, cup, and vacuum pressure. The second problem comes when the cup is not cleaned regularly. Manuals always recommend daily refilling of the cup and suggest even more frequent cleanings under dusty conditions. The oil may look clean in the cup but after a few hours of running but it has trapped a significant quantity of small particles many of which will be drawn back up into the cleaning surfaces. When the particles-to-oil ratio reaches a certain level, the dirt will begin to hang on (or "sludge up") on the cleaning surfaces. Eventually, instead of just clean air being sucked into the intake, you have chunks of dirt and sludge going with it. Obviously this can be quickly damaging to the engine. If your cannister is filled with sludge, clean it out before using it or it could do more harm than good. The last problem is with radically altered machines. The oil bath is engineered for the stock engine. Radical changes to the engine mandate changes to the air cleaning system. Care should also be exercised if replacing your oil bath filter. The replacement should be similar in size and engineered capacity to the original."

So there is a relation ship to that pipe- vacuum to cleaning the air, but will it run wide open without that pipe"

Wayne

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matt(pa)

07-13-2007 08:41:46




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 Re: Rant -Hate to Do THIS in reply to wayneb, 07-12-2007 11:59:03  
We've all been there. I've been trying to replace the front wheel bearings and bushings on my FMD for about a year now, but a new child and work take up any extra time I might have. Wouldn't change a thing though...
Hang in there, and you will get it done. If you don't take it with you, would you want to sell it? Where are you located?
I could at least give it a home out of the weather for a few more years, and hopefully in that time get around to fixing it.

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