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Myassitis

09-19-2006 09:49:31




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Tried to post this before but no luck. I'll try again.
I would like to pull my Fordson Major Diesel 1957 model. I have never pulled a tractor before so I have some questions. It weights about 5800# I think and has a Perkins 4 cyl. diesel with simms fuel injector. Runs good but stock. I would like to do some simple but effective work to make it run stronger so any help on that would be good. I'm a pretty good shade tree mechanic and catch on to things ok. Can I port and polish the heafds myself using simple tools?
Anything I can do on the Fuel injector pump and injectors? What gear do you normally pull in and should I buy weights for front, rear or both. As you can see I don't know a thing. I don't want to pull against the big boys but I do want to be competative. Help.

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Myassitis

09-21-2006 10:01:05




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 Re: Tractor pulling in reply to Myassitis, 09-19-2006 09:49:31  
Majorman
I've read your post for some time and you know your Fordsons. I'm currently in my office so I don't have my book in front of me. However, I have had to buy numerous parts over the years and have had good luck with my local New Holland and Kubota dealer who at one time sold Fordsons. They always come up with the parts needed. In the back of my book it states its a Fordson Major Diesel with a Perkins 4cyl. The serial number says it was manufacture in 1957.I have had other people tell me the same as you though, (not a Perkins). They had never seen my trator however. I will study my book tonite an get back to you. I'm also going to attach a picture of my tractor if the page will let me. Looks great and runs great. No, I did not paint it the original color. When ask why not I always reply thats its my trator and I never liked Fordsons choice of colors. I mixed a dark navy blue with black to come up with very, very dark blue color and painted wheels, grill guard and other trim yellow/ivory color. You would not believe the positive comments I get at shows. If Fordson would have had this color they would still be in buisness.

Questions:
1) You stated you work on Fuel Injectors. I have a local diesel injector shop which is good. What would I ask them to do regarding hopping up my simmens injector?
2) I need to replace/rebuild my injectors which are original. Can I up-grade to larger injectors from a different/later fordson?
3) Timing. If I do any of the above which I will, do you have any ideas on the timing of the pump. I can time the pump to original specs but what about advanced, retarded etc. with the change in fuel?
I going to work on up-grading my air filter as suggested and will proberly have valve job done. I don't need this tractor for field work, I have another for that and since I painted it and did all the body work I don't like using it brush hogging. However, any thing I've done I could re-do if the urge hit me. P.S., I'm also an old man. I guess I can't post picture, don't see how to do it. Myassitis

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Majorman

09-22-2006 00:13:30




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 Re: Tractor pulling in reply to Myassitis, 09-21-2006 10:01:05  
Think I would throw your book away! Perkins engines were fitted to the E27N Major at the factory but the E1A Major had a totally Fordson designed engine which was unique at the time, having direct injection instead of indirect. Perkins did not develop a direct injection engine until the middle 1960's.

However petrol/kerosene E1A's were not a popular tractor because of their fuel consumption so a number were converted to Perkins L4 engines and exported. This would be the only Perkins connection. Perkins collaborated with Fordson to design an engine for the smaller Dexta tractor but even this was only assembled at Peterborough, the majority of components were still made by Fordson at the Dagenham plant.

As I said in my earlier post, I know little about pulling tractors. But:

1. There is little you can do to the injector.

2. Most injectors used on Ford tractors are the same unit. The power increases were obtained by different head/manifold designs and improvements to the tractors breathing.

3. The maximum fuel delivery from the pump can be increased by adjusting the screw at the stop control housing. This allows the rack to travel further and therefore more fuel to the injectors. This will increase the black smoke of course.

4. I would not alter the timing. On a diesel this can cause the tops of the pistons to develop holes and break crankshafts.

Even a small change to the air intake can make these engines develop more power. We used to just tweak the fins of the pre-cleaner and improve it. One of my colleagues drove a Power Major about 30 miles with the air cleaner pipe disconnected at the manifold. He achieved speeds of nearly 30mph and on a long straight road even overtook a local resident in a Ford 8hp car.

Send the picture to me at bhe at btconnect.com and I will put it on the board.

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hahter

09-19-2006 17:17:13




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 Re: Tractor pulling in reply to Myassitis, 09-19-2006 09:49:31  
I pull with a 53 Major Diesel. The only engine modification I did was to the air filter. I gutted the metal mesh out of the air cleaner and replaced with a paper cansiter filter. I am using wheel weights and hanging weights. You will need either wheel weights or hanging weights. I am also running 15.5-38 on 14" rims. Your hitch will need to be max of 18" off the ground and min of 18" from the center of axle. This will be defined by the club's rule that you will be pulling at. This is the first year that I pulled with this tractor so I am still working the "bugs" out of the tractor.
Hopes this helps

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BUDD

09-19-2006 16:02:42




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 Re: Tractor pulling in reply to Myassitis, 09-19-2006 09:49:31  
Myassitis

I would love to see that Major at a pull. I always have wanted one of them as that was the first tractor as a kid that I got to ride on. To answer some of your Q. Know one will be able to tell you what gear to pull in. You will just need to go pull it and see. I would start in first and see how it goes from there power wise. You will need some kind of front end wieght depending on the tracks you run on and the wieght class you run. This is what I did when I got into pulling about 6 years ago. I bought a JD A and just started pulling it. After awhile you will figure out what you need to do as far as wieght, gears and tires type thing. Do not worry about the polishing and pump turn up until later. learn how to "BALANCE" your tractor first and then do what you want to be competive. And most of all "JUST HAVE FUN DOING THE PULLING". Pulling is a lot of fun and work, but there is a lot of people the take it very seriose also. What size of rear tires are on this Major? Where are you located at? Email me if I can help more

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Majorman

09-19-2006 13:06:13




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 Re: Tractor pulling in reply to Myassitis, 09-19-2006 09:49:31  
Sorry I know nothing about pulling with tractors. I don't like a sport that destroys history but thats' only my opinion and I am old and crotchety! :0).

It is NOT a Perkins engine. This engine was far in front of the Perkins engines of its time. This is a Ford (England) design which lead the world and changed everyones thinking on diesel engines. Until its introduction most diesel manufacturers were living in the stone age.

The engine will take most of the modifications you can throw at it. Should I want to do something like this (shudder) I would not worry about polishing the ports. I would concentrate on the air cleaner and the breathing.

Adjusting pump and injectors are a very specialised job. The slightest particle of dust or grit can destroy the seal required, metal to metal, that is needed to attain the high pressure for injection.

Atomised fuel from an injector, entering the skin can lead to amputation and death so it is really for someone working in the proper environment. We used Fusus oil, not diesel in the fuel pump workshop.

Hope these comments help you. (But I would love them to cause you to "see the light" and cause you to spend your money, restoring your tractor to its original condition and to get your pulling kicks with a plough at plough days, doing what the tractor was designed to do).

(All written with tongue in cheek and with no intention to offend. What ever you decide turn it into the winner that it was in all situations).

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B-maniac

09-19-2006 17:36:25




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 Re: Tractor pulling in reply to Majorman, 09-19-2006 13:06:13  
I agree with Majorman (to a point). Leave the thing in stock or restored condition. If you still want to pull it, then fine.You will have just as much fun pulling stock. Or you can put $2000 or more in it to "modify" it and still get beat because someone else had more money.Someone will always have more money and less brains than you and it will slowly take all the fun (and your money) out of pulling. Choose the pulls that put a limit on mods or at least limit their advantage in other ways (speed limits,gear limits,dead-weight pulls etc) I like the idea of plowing contests also. What better competition could you ask for? Good luck.

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