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woolman

04-14-2006 07:55:19




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I have a '62 Super Major, with which I am quite happy most of the time. However, whenever I go to the local ag dealer here in town the parts man takes an opportunity to denigrate my tractor. This time his fulminations have to do with the "horrible lucas ignition" of the Fordson. Now, I have some confusion about this. Since my tractor is a diesel, what ignition is he referring to? I am under the impression that diesels do not have ignition systems. Is he referring to the general electrical system that operates the starter and lights? Or is he talking about the petrol models? Just what might this individual, with all of his fervor, be talking about? Your thoughts, as always, will be appreciated.

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woolman

04-15-2006 09:51:57




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 Re: Lucas Ignition in reply to woolman, 04-14-2006 07:55:19  
Thanks to Bob, Dan, Majorman and Ernie for their educating of this wayward Yank on the virtues of the here-in-the-US-much-maligned Lucas ignition system. I'll be the first to admit that my parts-man's attitude may cover an inferiority complex that many of us share. Most thoughtful Americans are really Brits at heart.



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DanJK

04-14-2006 14:19:46




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 Re: Lucas Ignition in reply to woolman, 04-14-2006 07:55:19  
I have had Lucas equipment on many cars and tractors that i have used and had no unreasonable faults, and believe that they are possibly slightly less trouble than other makes, certainly a heavier construction - However having owned a Land Rover full of electrical faults, i am certain it is old British Leyland car wiring looms that unjustly gave Lucas a bad name, The only solution is to keep replacing wiring connectors until the fault is cured.

In fact Lucas can keep going despite terrible wear and abuse, for example i have just emptied the water (a cupful) out of my MF 165 Lucas starter motor (The tractor had been left to soak in a mud hole last year) all i had to do was tap the motor as the brushes tended to stick on the rusted brackets every time i wanted to start it! I still can`t understand how it kept going all this time. If only i had known i would have sorted the poor thing earlier rather than just putting up with the problem.

Most Lucas equipment was designed for use in remote British colonies/commonwealth countries and most faults that occur seem to be more fixable by low skilled workers than other makes (eg new brushes and a clean up type repairs).

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Majorman

04-14-2006 09:54:33




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 Re: Lucas Ignition in reply to woolman, 04-14-2006 07:55:19  
Lucas systems are to you on your side of the pond what AC Delco are to us ex Ford dealers.

We had AC starters on the first "X" series tractors and, when we fitted clutches,as we did on a regular basis, we also had to clear the backs of many starters out of the bell housing.It was not until Ford changed to a Lucas starter that we lost that problem.

I have had Lucas systems for more 40 years and have had no problems either.

I see British systems getting knocked hard on these boards at times. People seem to forget we stand side by side on a lot of issues and its not nice to knock your friends.

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yard monster

04-14-2006 09:29:08




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 Re: Lucas Ignition in reply to woolman, 04-14-2006 07:55:19  
ok time for my joke... the British drink warm beer because Lucas provides the electrical systems for their refrigerators too... ok too answer your question your right Diesels have no ignition systems

Ernie



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Bob

04-14-2006 09:03:18




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 Re: Lucas Ignition in reply to woolman, 04-14-2006 07:55:19  
Lucas is kind of a standing joke amongst collectors of British cars. Maybe that's why the parts guy thinks he's so funny!

"Electrical Theory by Joseph Lucas"

"Positive ground depends upon proper circuit functioning, the transmission of negative ions by retention of the visible spectral manifestation known as "smoke". Smoke is the thing that makes electrical circuits work; we know this to be true because every time one lets the smoke out of the electrical system, it stops working. This can be verified repeatedly through empirical testing. When, for example, the smoke escapes from an electrical component (i.e., say, a Lucas voltage regulator), it will be observed that the component stops working. The function of the wire harness is to carry the smoke from one device to another; when the wire harness "springs a leak", and lets all the smoke out of the system, nothing works afterwards. Starter motors were frowned upon in British Automobiles for some time, largely because they consume large quantities of smoke, requiring very large wires."

"It has been noted that Lucas components are possibly more prone to electrical leakage than Bosch or generic Japanese electrics. Experts point out that this is because Lucas is British and all things British leak. British engines leak oil, shock absorbers, hydraulic forks and disk brakes leak fluid, British tyres leak air and the British defense establishment leaks secrets...so, naturally, British electrics leak smoke."

[Contributed by John E, Long Beach, CA]

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woolman

04-14-2006 09:12:37




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 Re: Lucas Ignition in reply to Bob, 04-14-2006 09:03:18  
Thanks, Bob. This is quite clever, and I've chuckled my way from beginning to end. Leave it to me to ask the straight question that lets all of the comedians pull out their big guns. I'm sure there are others out there just waiting to pounce, and I can't wait to see what they have. It sure beats the chocolate bunny jokes making their way around the Internet this Good Friday.

Still, even in the funniest caricatures, there must be a shred of truth. So, what is it with these tractors and the dreaded "Lucas" curse?

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Bob

04-14-2006 09:39:28




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 Re: Lucas Ignition in reply to woolman, 04-14-2006 09:12:37  
I dunno... the electricals on my Super Power Major work just fine.



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Bob

04-14-2006 09:46:18




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 Re: Lucas Ignition in reply to Bob, 04-14-2006 09:39:28  
P.S....

Here's MY favorite Easter Bunny funny... (NOT PC.)



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Manuel in Oz

04-15-2006 23:41:21




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 Re: Lucas Ignition in reply to Bob, 04-14-2006 09:46:18  
Are they still going?
I haven't seen them around for a while.
Manuel in Oz



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richard in nz

04-20-2006 03:24:16




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 Re: Lucas Ignition in reply to Manuel in Oz, 04-15-2006 23:41:21  
Lucas were brought by Delphi-- What nationality are they???!!!



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Manuel in Oz

04-20-2006 14:31:20




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 Re: Lucas Ignition in reply to richard in nz, 04-20-2006 03:24:16  
Hi Richard,
Don't know anything about them.
I have heard of Delco but not Delphi.
Manuel in Oz



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