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Frozen Steering Wheel

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Woolman

01-15-2005 22:19:48




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The cold weather we are having in the Northwest carries a number of surprises, one of which is that the steering on my '62 Super Major will not work. This problem began a couple of weeks ago when temps dropped below freezing, but today was the worst so far. I have an after-market power steering assembly that simply will not allow me to turn the steering wheel. I have tried heating the cylinder, valve (beneath the steering wheel) and the pump with a heat gun, have let the engine run until warm, all to no avail. Up until today, which was the coldest day of the year so far, I have been able to break the wheel loose through constant pressure on the wheel, but nothing would give way today. I have checked the fluid in the pump. It appears full and without water in it. Does anyone have a suggestion?

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Mark 1

01-16-2005 14:16:07




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 Re: Frozen Steering Wheel in reply to Woolman, 01-15-2005 22:19:48  
This is not the original Fordson setup, correct?

Can you get it into your shop and let it warm up there?

With the tractor not running does the steering wheel turn? Undo the the lines at the cylinder and turn the steering wheel.If it turns, the pump up front on the engine is out or there could be blockage in one of the cylinder ports.If it does not turn it is in the steering unit under the tank.It could be off another brand of tractor so it might help if you identify the make of the pump and the steering unit.

I have seen people put things in the lines to restrict flow and thus rate of turn and movement of the cylinder.

It makes a mess, but you can either disconnect lines and see if there is fluid flow when it is running after you check for blockages as mentioned above.Put the disconnected lines in a container when you do this and have rags ready!!!! A tee with a high pressure gauge is best for less mess.

Good luck and email me if you reach a roadblock.

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Woolman

01-16-2005 15:59:07




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 Re: Frozen Steering Wheel in reply to Mark 1, 01-16-2005 14:16:07  
Thanks for you always informed input, Mark. Let me give you the latest.

Today was a bit warmer, so I decided to see if the steering worked. I started the engine and let it warm up, then got on the tractor and turned the wheel. Well, rather than being frozen, this time the wheel turned freely without turning the wheels at all, just as though it was completely disconnected! This had happened once before, so I decided to play with the wheel for awhile, turning it slowly one direction, then the other. It doesn't seem to have a detent position, by the way, meaning I can start this process with the steering wheel in any position. After a while the front wheels began to respond, and in a few more minutes things were back to normal. Then I drove it around the property for about half an hour. None of this had ever occurred in the months of warm(er) weather we had up until the first of December. All of it seems cold-weather related. Maybe it's two separate problems, both triggered by the sub-freezing temps. I can see that maybe the frozen wheel is what Steven said it is, a frozen steering box, while the apparent lack of flow is cold fluid or something, maybe a fluid too heavy for this climate, as Majorman suggests, though the tractor has a local pedigree. The system is tight, and has no leaks at all. The power steering hydraulics are the one fluid system on this machine that doesn't drip!

Should I just live with this and figure that on the coldest days of winter my SM stays under wraps?

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Woolman

01-16-2005 13:22:42




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 Re: Frozen Steering Wheel in reply to Woolman, 01-15-2005 22:19:48  
Majorman, I don't know the grade of oil. It is the same oil that was in it when I bought the tractor a few months ago. Plain ol' power steering fluid, I would guess, whatever grade that tends to be.

Steven, your question intrigues me. I didn't think about the steering "box" due to the fact that it's power steering, but there seems to be a mechanism of some sort that receives the steering column prior to its terminating in the valve. I can easily imagine that this "box" is the culprit. What sort of job is it to pull that apart and clean it out?

Thanks to both of you gentlemen for your input.

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Majorman

01-16-2005 00:45:01




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 Re: Frozen Steering Wheel in reply to Woolman, 01-15-2005 22:19:48  
What grade of oil are you using?



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Steven B

01-15-2005 23:53:41




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 Re: Frozen Steering Wheel in reply to Woolman, 01-15-2005 22:19:48  
Are you sure its the power steering cylinder? Have you looked at the steering box itself, could hace water in it thats freezing solid.

Steven B



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Jim Kay

01-18-2005 19:00:35




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 Re: Frozen Steering Wheel in reply to Steven B, 01-15-2005 23:53:41  
What type of system do you have? you said its after market, but what type? Do you have a draglink from box to front wheel or hydro lines from under tank to hydro cyl? Could be just some shrinking orings or seals. Let us know what type so we can help you more.



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Woolman

01-19-2005 18:32:49




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 Re: Frozen Steering Wheel in reply to Jim Kay, 01-18-2005 19:00:35  
Hi Jim. I am assuming it is after market. I don't know the brand, but the components are orange (or were, until I painted part of them). The stuff under the tank is out of reach as far as being able to read any specs. It is hydraulic from the steering box/valve to the cylinder. Since the weather has warmed her in the Northwest the steering is working just fine, so it's related to the cold weather. Mark, who lives near me here, is helping me with it when he visits in a few weeks. Thanks for your post.

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