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How Strong is A Super Major Front End?

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Woolman

11-16-2004 21:35:37




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I am having a friend weld a grill guard for the front of my '62. Part of the guard will be a loop that I will be using to attach a chain to for the purpose of pulling small saplings and sagebrush out of the ground. The guard will be attached to the four bolts on the front of the tractor beneath the grill. My intent is to pull out the vegetation by backing up.

My question is this: will I cause any harm to the frame or the front end using this procedure? Has anyone done this before? These are not big trees or shrubs, the largest being perhaps 5-6'. Thanks.

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sandymac

11-22-2004 05:38:40




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 Re: How Strong is A Super Major Front End? in reply to Woolman, 11-16-2004 21:35:37  
make sure that ALL the bolts from the chassis legs into the cast front weight are intact , some or all tend to have sheared/stripped/lost over time..... if all ok pull what you want until traction is lost! my p.m has done for over 30yrs.
Sandy



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Woolman

11-22-2004 14:00:39




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 Re: How Strong is A Super Major Front End? in reply to sandymac, 11-22-2004 05:38:40  
Thanks, Sandy! That's exactly the kind of advice, based on experience, I've been waiting for. All the bolts are intact and the front cast piece is without cracks. I'll be careful, and will not overdo my loads.



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Mark 1

11-17-2004 17:28:30




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 Re: How Strong is A Super Major Front End? in reply to Woolman, 11-16-2004 21:35:37  
I was just wondering why you are not using the draw bar in the back for pulling trees?

2 out 4 of the "fleet" have cracks in the front piece that you speak of. I don't know why of course. The Super has no cracks but it also has the extra industrial framing.

Maybe someone else can help you better than I can on this one.



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Woolman

11-17-2004 19:47:34




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 Re: How Strong is A Super Major Front End? in reply to Mark 1, 11-17-2004 17:28:30  
Thanks, Mark.

Some reasons why I want to use the tractor this way. First, I have visions of front wheels dancing in the air. I don't expect to pull anything large enough to cause a wheelie, but your recent telephone account of going airborne is sobering. Second, I don't like craning my neck. I'm not as young as you and would rather look straight ahead than in back of me. Third, my drawbar has two broken bolts and is held up by only the left side bracket. I haven't found anyone yet who can extract the two bolts so I can remount the second bracket.

Where have the cracks in your older tractors occurred?

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Mark 1

11-18-2004 17:47:19




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 Re: How Strong is A Super Major Front End? in reply to Woolman, 11-17-2004 19:47:34  
Where are the broken bolts, in the transmission housing? I think a cutting torch could get it out. It seems to me I had a similar problem and I used bigger bolts or something to that effect. It seems to be another part that was neglected as all 4 tractors have sloppy holes where the bolts go in. I thought of changing this setup someday but to what I don't know yet.More bolts or a single U-shaped plate that goes underneath to both sides???

My wheel dance was on pretty big trees. A 12" pear and a few 8" apples, I think. The Super lost to the 12" and I had to fell it with an old hand falling saw. It did the bigger apples on several attempts.

The cracks are very similar. One on the 58 Major and one on the 59 PM Roadless. It is underneath the radiator in the depression by the hole that would be used for a jackshaft to run a aux pump up front.

I really need to come down. I am on vacation this next week and will let you know when I come down.I also bought a little Honda so gas is much of a factor now as it was with the Toy 4x4.

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Woolman

11-18-2004 20:41:43




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 Re: How Strong is A Super Major Front End? in reply to Mark 1, 11-18-2004 17:47:19  
Mark, the broken bolts are the two that hold the roughly 4x6" half-inch steel plate that receives a pin that in turn holds the drawbar in place. These plates, right and left, are at the very rear of the tractor under the PTO area. I thought about welding the right plate back onto the transmission housing, but someone told me that the metal of the housing is cast and not amenable to welding. One fellow said he might be able to remove the two broken bolts with a technique using a welder. I'm afraid of trying to use a drill and extractor method since I have no way of removing the tire and would mess up the threads.

So far my front end doesn't look like it has any cracks in it. I hope it remains that way. My grill guard will be done tomorrow and I'm hoping to put it to use Saturday pulling some juniper saplings.

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Mark 1

11-18-2004 20:58:42




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 Re: How Strong is A Super Major Front End? in reply to Woolman, 11-18-2004 20:41:43  
If you can afford it have the guy weld/extract the bolts.That is about the only way it can be done without a lot of fuss.The trans as well as the front end is cast iron and it is difficult to weld correctly.If you see no cracks, then it is ok?The front looks stout, but it still just cast iron.I can only offer suggestions here.I would try to put a couple of hooks where the 4 bolts are that hold the front end to the frame that runs back by the motor.It is my opinion that the front end was designed for balast or a place to add more weight to the front end, not to put push-pull stresses on the machine.Then agian you could get away with a few tree stump pulls???? without a problem.

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