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Accelerator Mystery

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Woolman

11-12-2004 15:21:42




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Like most of your tractors, my Super Major has the accelerator, which we used to call the throttle, on the right of the steering column, and when it is pulled downward and toward the driver the engine revs up. Here is my question.

About a third of the way through its downward arc, the accelerator lever reaches a point where the engine slows down and begins to cut out rather than speed up. Once past that point in the arc of the lever, the engine begins to accelerate again. I am wondering if the first third or so of the arc is some kind of "choke" range. When in that part of the arc, the engine runs much more smokey than when I pass the lever into the other two-thirds range. Once in the bottom (faster) two-thirds of the arc the engine begins to run smooth and clean.

What might I be encountering here? Is this normal, or do I need some kind of adjustment? I notice that the air intake is on the opposite side of the engine from the fuel injector, so I can't use my primitive understanding of carburetors, where fuel and air are mixed on a gas engine, to figure this one out. Thanks in advance.

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ron algiere

11-12-2004 15:48:26




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 Re: Accelerator Mystery in reply to Woolman, 11-12-2004 15:21:42  
I had a similar problem, it turned out to be a pinhole in the injection governor diaghram.



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Mark 1

11-13-2004 09:10:37




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 Re: Accelerator Mystery in reply to ron algiere, 11-12-2004 15:48:26  
This part should be low $$ if you can find one.I think my extra one is bad.If you want I can tear it apart to see what it looks like?That way you can keep yours operational until the part arrives.

The motor should have a steady rpm through the whole movement of the "vacuum" control lever that affects the govenor on the injection pump.It is just a flap in the ventury that is hooked to this linkage.The pump governor moves back and forth according the pressures in the intake ports by the ventury flap.I don't know the vacuum pressures in these ports, but it is not much.A hole in the diaphram would sure give your motor fits.

These are direct injection machines, I think is the proper term. There is other varients, indirect (pre-chambers), two stroke Detroits, and newer systems with oil pressurized injectors that I haven't seen in my price range (joke). Make sure your oil bath has new oil in it.They are often forgotten and pretty neglected.Mine was pretty interesting!!!

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Dave Matt

11-14-2004 07:02:51




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 Re: Accelerator Mystery in reply to Mark 1, 11-13-2004 09:10:37  
Hi Mark, I"ve been reading this discussion with interest since my Super Major is doing much the same thing that Woolman"s is. Assuming my diaphram has a hole in it, do you know where I could get another one? You said they might be hard to find, making me think they"re probably not available from Ford anymore. Or can it be repaired with something like a dab of silicone gasket maker?

Thanks, Dave

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Woolman

11-13-2004 18:15:50




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 Re: Accelerator Mystery in reply to Mark 1, 11-13-2004 09:10:37  
Thanks, Ron and Mark. I think you both have probably gotten to the heart of the problem. I am not at all up to doing mechanical work on these machines so I'm going to live with it until it gets so bad that I have to repair it. Mark, when you pass through here on your way to Redmond, I'd like to hire you by the hour to diagnose the various problems I'm having with the tractor and get an idea from you as to what I'm up against, cost-wise. There are a number of issues involved, none of them terribly serious, but of such a nature that I'd like to get them taken care of so the tractor is salable. They are all of the magnitude of the accelerator mystery we've been talking about.

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Mark 1

11-13-2004 19:20:31




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 Re: Accelerator Mystery in reply to Woolman, 11-13-2004 18:15:50  
Ok.

I will bring the following:

injection pump
shift lever
horn (just kidding)

Give me a short list of the things I missed.

The rest of the things you need are on that tractor at Dan's. We can swap the stuff that you need off of that Super. I will let you know when it is. I think I want to ski at Bachelor soon so I will let you know on that.



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Woolman

11-14-2004 09:29:29




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 Re: Accelerator Mystery in reply to Mark 1, 11-13-2004 19:20:31  
That sounds good, Mark. I'm too old (63) to do much skiing, and I never learned anyway. It'd be great to have you come by on your way. We're 40 miles from Bend here and get down there quite often. I've been to Mt. Bachelor one time, with the intention of eating at the mountaintop restaurant. A thunderstorm closed it down that day so I never got up there.

Other than the accelerator problem already identified, I'd like you to look at the engine and give me your thoughts as to where I am leaking oil. The engine has the usual number of drips and leaks, mostly fuel at the sediment bowl and a slow lead somewhere in the fuel tank, maybe up inside where the steering column comes through. The other leak that concerns me more than fuel is one that occurs when the engine is running. I notice that after every use the front axle and front wheel/tire (right side) are spattered with fine drops of black oil, and that the front underside of the engine drips a few drops of engine oil when I shut it off. Then it stops dripping until I fire it back up again.

Ron, if you read this, I used to live in upstate New York. I was pastor of a church in Delhi, near Oneonta. Are you in the Catskills, Finger Lakes region, or the Adirondacks? I love New York (the state, that is).

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ben uk

11-14-2004 09:39:52




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 Re: Accelerator Mystery in reply to Woolman, 11-14-2004 09:29:29  
I wouldnt worry too much about the oil leaks, unless there excessive. On a tractor of that age your going to get oil leaks.

As long as you check the oil regularly to ensure you arent running low, and top her up as soon as shes under the full mark. that should be fine.



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Woolman

11-14-2004 11:04:49




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 Re: Accelerator Mystery in reply to ben uk, 11-14-2004 09:39:52  
Thanks, Ben in the UK, that's good advice. I tend to be a perfectionist and a neat-freak, so leaking oil causes me wringing of the hands. I have to remember that all of my cars leak some oil too. However, if it is a simple matter to fix it, I'd like to know that, and do whatever I can, especially since the oil is being thrown around a bit.



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Mark 1

11-14-2004 18:46:06




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 Re: Accelerator Mystery in reply to Woolman, 11-14-2004 11:04:49  
Have you changed the oil filter?It could be the seal that the oil "canister" spins onto.There is a new seal when you buy the filter of course.It could be a cracked oil filter housing(the aluminum part) or bad sealing gasket on front of the motor somewhere.Wipe the area down with a rag after it has sat and then start it and try to locate it.If it is a high oil pressure area I would fix it.If not, well....let it go and let the next owner worry about it.

I cross country ski, or nordic as some people call it.Bend has the best facility in Oregon at Bachelor.I am 50 and it keeps me somewhat young.I would think that the Upstate NY people do that a lot?

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Woolman

11-14-2004 21:09:24




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 Re: Accelerator Mystery in reply to Mark 1, 11-14-2004 18:46:06  
I will do all that you suggest, Mark. I suspect it is oil coming out of the front of the pan and being picked up by the fan and thrown onto the right wheel and axle. I took the tractor out today for half an hour and the exact thing happened again.

Interesting, the ONE time I took up skiing it was cross-country, and in upstate New York. A very brief fling when I was in my thirties, and I found it too exhausting even then. Are you interested in a very ancient pair of Rossignol skis and poles?

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ron algiere

11-14-2004 18:37:15




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 Re: Accelerator Mystery in reply to Woolman, 11-14-2004 11:04:49  
woolman, sorry for getting off the subject of repair, I live in orange county but my family has property in Cortland (near Marathon) I've got 2 Fordsons, one is a 58 major backhoe nad the other is a 59 Power Major



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Woolman

11-14-2004 21:12:54




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 Re: Accelerator Mystery in reply to ron algiere, 11-14-2004 18:37:15  
Ron, when you said that there were no Fordsons around you, did you mean at your CA home or in NY? I must've gone through the Cortland area at least once; very beautiful if I recall.



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ron algiere

11-14-2004 04:27:20




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 Re: Accelerator Mystery in reply to Mark 1, 11-13-2004 19:20:31  
just curious, where are you guys located, I don't know anyone in my area with Fordsons.(I'm in central NY)



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Mark 1

11-14-2004 07:51:34




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 Re: Accelerator Mystery in reply to ron algiere, 11-14-2004 04:27:20  
Ron, we are Origoanians, as we call ourselves.Not to be confused with the Portland, Oregon variety though, as we are in the eastern part of the state.I guess it would be like saying you are from Upstate New York, but not the Big Apple.

Dave, our local Ford dealer has a few parts listed for these tractors, and they are expensive.So to make a long story short, I have used the internet and this site to locate parts for my tractor(s).Some of the parts came to me with British postages on the box.Hopefully more parts sources will pop up in the US as these tractors are getting restored.It appears to me that thye have since I first started working on them four years ago.

I am not sure who is the least expensive parts source for Simms.It will take some time for me to find out.Maybe someone else can help here????

The silicon could work.It should not hurt anything as long as you let it dry.Let us know how it works if you try it.

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