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Jim

06-27-2001 10:56:23




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I just visited the discussion forum for Ford N tractors, which I understand are kissin' cousins to the Ferguson TO's, yes/no?? I found a lively series of comments on the use of the gas shutoff valve. Some folks shut them off religiously, others never. Some have reported carburetor leaks when the valve is left on, others have never seen a drop or smelled a whiff of gas. Some people have elaborate shut-down procedures that they follow every time they turn off their machine, others turn it off, walk away and don't look back. Problems associated with leaving it on range from the aforementioned gas leaks to cracked blocks from hydraulic lock when the gas works its way into cylinders. Other people seem to ignore the thing entirely and never encounter any difficulties. It seems like, "Whatever works.." Is this pretty much true of Fergusons also? One posting I read said open it 2 full turns for normal operation, wide open to access the reserve fuel. Is this accurate? Some said if the carb leaks, there's a problem with the needle valve; it should not leak even with the valve open. Others seemed to accept the carb dripping as not a carburetor problem, but said that not turning off the valve is the cause. So.....what do all the Ferguson people think? Thanks.

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Jerry elam

06-29-2001 17:27:39




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 Re: Gas shutoff - opinions please in reply to Jim, 06-27-2001 10:56:23  
If I don't shut mine off I leak at the gas line!
I thought it was the gasket, replaced it, threads stripped, repaced the fuel bowel, still leaks.
I try to remember to shut her off. Also once I left it open all night and Fergie wouldn't start again until I cleaned the fuel line, screens etc.



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Joe in NY

06-28-2001 15:32:25




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 Re: Gas shutoff - opinions please in reply to Jim, 06-27-2001 10:56:23  
Jim,
2 turns open and when she quits open all the way and go get more gas. When you're done shut off the fuel line at the bowl. I usually shut it off and let the engine run till she quits. Keeps varnish out the carb. They're old and sometimes they can't control their fluids so why embarrass them in front of their friends in the barn. Shut her down.
My opinion,
Joe



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Jim-PA

06-27-2001 19:55:30




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 Re: Gas shutoff - opinions please in reply to Jim, 06-27-2001 10:56:23  
Most of the time they don't leak. Just every once in a while a tiny piece of dirt keeps the float valve open a bit. Takes two seconds to turn it off. Great for your peace of mind. Cause once you know they sometimes leak you will always worry about it. I know a guy who burnt his house down when his lawn tractors carb was leaking and he started welding next to it in his attached garage.



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dennis

06-27-2001 15:05:35




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 Re: Gas shutoff - opinions please in reply to Jim, 06-27-2001 10:56:23  
I agree with Dave. However, I use my tractor year round and it stays in a tight barn. I drive it in, shut it off and walk away. I have a couple of antique cars (gravity feed gas, too) and do the same. If the carb is set up correctly it should not leak at all. Remember if it leaks when it's sitting, it's probably leaking while it's running and that ain't the way it's supposed to be.



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David Waymann

06-27-2001 14:12:17




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 Re: Gas shutoff - opinions please in reply to Jim, 06-27-2001 10:56:23  
Jim: I have a few thoughts to add...I have left the fuel shut-off both open and closed. I am not sure that this is the most critical consideration. Firstly, the fuel shut-off valve is designed so that the first 2 full turns open get you to the main tank and going to full open gets you to the reserve tank (approx. 2 gallons). I recommend using it as intended, as you have no fuel gauge. I have depleted my main tank numerous times and then have been able to drive home, or to the gas station to fill up, on the reserve tank(by opening the shut-off all the way).

Secondly, the reference to the needle valve is actually the float needle. If the float is improperly adjusted or the float needle does not seat properly, then the fuel wants to continually flow into the float bowl chamber--it has to go somewhere, so the carb leaks or fuel goes into the cylinders. There are two fixes for this, one being to use the fuel shut-off valve--no fuel, no carb leaks. The proper fix is to address the float settings and see that the needle & seat are in good shape. (This should also fix the problem of fuel seeping into the cylinders).

Lastly, I think there are a whole bunch of environmental and use factors that must be kept in mind. Is the tractor garaged, or kept outside, is it exposed to very cold temperatures and what is the tractor used for? Any of these factors may lead to condensation in the tank, carburetor icing, etc. It is best to keep a full tank in the cold to reduce condensation and air working at aging the gas in the tank. If the tractor sits for a long time, it would be best to use a fuel stabilizer (i.e. Stabil). Depending on any of these factors, one may choose to use the fuel shut-off as a practice or as a band-aid fix for another problem that they may not want to fix.

Sorry of the long-winded reply, but that's my $0.02 worth. David, MI

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Chuck (CA)

06-27-2001 12:55:28




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 Re: Gas shutoff - opinions please in reply to Jim, 06-27-2001 10:56:23  
Hi Jim,
I agree with William. I shut it off whenever I turn the engine off. Like you, I read the 'N board and the general consensus was to shut 'er down for a variety of reasons. Anyway, it just takes a second and for me it's just peace of mind.
BTW, I normally just open it a couple of turns and that seems to be plenty.
Chuck



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william l. brown

06-27-2001 11:31:30




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 Re: Gas shutoff - opinions please in reply to Jim, 06-27-2001 10:56:23  
JIM,
i shut mine off every time. i have an in
line filter that connects with hoses, and
one time i forgot to shut it off, and
the hose was leaking, and i lost a bit of
fuel. of course i replaced the hose,but i
still do a shutoff now.
william



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GREASEMAN

07-04-2001 18:05:52




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 Re: Re: Gas shutoff - opinions please in reply to william l. brown, 06-27-2001 11:31:30  
I always shut mine off too when I am shutting down the engine, it's cheap insurance; and I can live with that price. I also keep an inline filter between the sediment bowl and carb.



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