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Engine Speed Drops Under Load

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Brian Speas

05-19-2008 06:42:34




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Hi everyone. I have a '51 TO-20 that has an issue. The tractor's engine speed drops under load when using either my box blade or bush hog. The tractor idles great and responds well to throttle increase, but as soon as its under load it wants to die. I rebuilt the carb after I purchased the tractor last year (it leaked fuel). However, I noticed I have to keep my main jet open around 3 - 3 1/2 turns to get the tractor to run at wide open throttle. I bought the carb rebuild kit from tractor supply. Should I buy a higher quality kit from this site? What else should I check? Thanks in advance!

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Brian Speas

05-31-2008 17:28:28




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 Re: Engine Speed Drops Under Load in reply to Brian Speas, 05-19-2008 06:42:34  
Just wanted to give an update to everyone. I found my problem; the venturi was missing from the carb! I didn't think about the venturi during my carb rebuild because there wasn't one there. I'm surprised the tractor was able to run at all. After I installed the venturi the tractor started running strong. No more issues.



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John (UK)

05-19-2008 13:18:35




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 Re: Engine Speed Drops Under Load in reply to Brian Speas, 05-19-2008 06:42:34  
In addition to the Carb:-
Part of your problem will be the engine governor settings, they will be out of adjustment even if no-one has played around with them, due to wear in all the joints. If you need the info to re-set it, email me and I will send it with some pictures....John



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gshadel

05-19-2008 13:11:56




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 Re: Engine Speed Drops Under Load in reply to Brian Speas, 05-19-2008 06:42:34  
I'm running a TSC rebuild kit myself. It's really a Tisco rebuild kit. Tisco is the parts distributor. My big complaint with the Tisco kit is the needle valve does not shut-off tightly when the tractor is not running, if I don't close the shut-off valve the carb will overfill & flood 2-3 hours after shutting off the tractor. I have heard that complaint many times for all the M.S. carbs for Fergy's and Fords since most distributors switched to a rubber-tipped needle valve. Other than that, the Tisco rebuild kit is fine. I would not suspect the rebuild components as your problem.
Definitely check your float setting. That is very sensitive. I seem to have the best luck when I check the float height about 1/2 way down the float, as opposed to up by the needle valve itself. The manual gives a spec. for fuel bowl fill level that is checked by jambing a piece of clear tubing into the carb. bottom drain plug and holding the open end of the tubing up against the carb. The fuel self-levels in the tubing to the same height as the level in your bowl. I don't recall the measurement range. Check you manual for that, that is a easier method than tearing your carb apart to check the float height. If you don't have a manual... get a Ferguson re-print service manual, they are pretty cheap and have much better instructions than a I&T service manual. When I get a chance, I will try to look that up in my manual and post it.

Definitely check your spark, Jerry is right, many poor running conditions, and many "carb. problems" are really poor spark problems. A richer mixture ignites better than a lean mixture, that is why the choke was invented. A weak spark would cause your stated problem.

George

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Brian Speas

05-19-2008 12:57:05




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 Re: Engine Speed Drops Under Load in reply to Brian Speas, 05-19-2008 06:42:34  
Great information everyone. I'll look at the items you suggested sometime over the next few weeks.

Thanks!



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Jerry/MT

05-19-2008 11:51:04




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 Re: Engine Speed Drops Under Load in reply to Brian Speas, 05-19-2008 06:42:34  
I know I"ll sound like a broken record, but check your spark first to make sure that you have the requisite FAT, BLUISH-WHITE SPARK. Check the timing (7 oBTDC @400 rpm),and make sure the advance is working properly. If all that checks out, the ignition system is working properly and we can eliminate a weak spark, icorrect timing and incorrect advance as the culprit. The look at the fuel system(enriched fuel/air ratios help weak spark performance). If any of these things are not correct, you"ll have to fix it so that you have a FAT, BLUISH-WHITE SPARK AT THE CORRECT TIME.

Since your performance is helped by enrichment and we"ve hopefully eliminated the ignition system as the problem, there are two possibilities for too lean a mixture; carb power jet adjustment or an airleak around the metering system of the carb. You just rebuilt the carb and these M-S carbs are sensitive to float level, You might want to check that again and make sure you have it right. Did you install the new air seals around the throttle shaft. hat"s one source of potential; leakage around the carb metering system. The other is the connection flange joint between the carb and the intake manifold. Did you install the new gasket and did it seal? Lastly a crack in the intake manifold or a leaky manifold to cylinder head gasket can cause leaning because you have air bypassing the carb metering system. To check for these airleaks, CAREFULLY squirt unlit propane from a hand cylinder around the throttle shaft, the carb to manifold connect flange and around the intake manifold. If the engine speeds up when you squirted the propane around one of these places you"ve found the problem area.

Another possibility is inadequate fuel delivery and the quick check for that is to open the tank valve,and holding a suitable container beneath the carb, open the big plug at the bottom of the carb. The fuel should CONTINUOUSLY gush out of the carb fuel bowl like a cow peein" on a flat rock. If it sdoen"t you"ll nedd to check the stariners in the fuel line, the one at the carb fuel elbow, the one above the ediment bowl and the one in the tank over the tank valve.
Do these checks systematically, one at a time and if you find a problem, fix it and check it out before making another change. Record the results for further analysis.

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Gerald J.

05-19-2008 10:33:30




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 Re: Engine Speed Drops Under Load in reply to Brian Speas, 05-19-2008 06:42:34  
Open the main a little more. Check the float level, low fuel level in the float bowl makes it run lean. Check the fuel flow to the carburetor. If there's a drain plug in the bottom of the float bowl, pull it and check for continued full fuel flow. Likely there is a restriction in fuel flow, often the inlet adapter screen, or varnish in the plumbing, or a clogged filter or tank screen.

Gerald J.

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bruce manuilow

07-24-2008 11:49:29




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 Re: Engine Speed Drops Under Load in reply to Gerald J., 05-19-2008 10:33:30  
yes tractor is fixed thank you much for your help!!



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