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1951 TO-20 Help!

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Kenny in Okla.

04-21-2008 08:46:32




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Hello to all, I have just about come to my wit's end. Have checked compression, timing, had the valve's adjusted, all new wiring, new everything
and still it has a miss that I can't get out. The ownly thing I haven't changed is the distributer, could this be it? Help.... Thanks Kenny




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Kenny in Okla

04-22-2008 05:20:36




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 Re: 1951 TO-20 Help! in reply to Kenny in Okla., 04-21-2008 08:46:32  
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Thanks to all you guy's, I will start checking these things this weekend. I have attached a picture of my o'l girl for you guy's



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gshadel

04-22-2008 07:43:14




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 Re: 1951 TO-20 Help! in reply to Kenny in Okla, 04-22-2008 05:20:36  
Hey! that looks like MY tractor.... I wish...
Sounds like ignition problem, do as Jerry suggests. Make sure you have a good blue spark, a yellow/orange spark is no good and likely the problem. Make sure all your connections from the coil back to the battery are shiny clean... including the ground lug on the back of the dash.
If you have an original 6V system, make sure you have good'ol fashioned copper core wires, not automotive resistor wires, and non-resistor plugs. Check that gap on the points. Too close, or too wide will cause poor spark. Watch your points in action with the cap off, if you see sparking between the points when they open/close, the gap is too close or the condenser is bad... which also causes poor spark at the plug.
If you have some run-time on your dist. cap, look for fine copper shavings under the cap, a sign of worn bushing as Jerry mentioned.

George

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Dennis(Ohio)

04-22-2008 04:04:00




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 Re: 1951 TO-20 Help! in reply to Kenny in Okla., 04-21-2008 08:46:32  
Let me share my experience with my Ford F250.
It also had a bad miss and I tried all kinds of ways to eliminate it.
In desperation, I installed a new set of plugs and the miss was gone. I should mention that the plugs I removed only had a few hours on them.



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Don Hooks*

04-21-2008 18:03:47




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 Re: 1951 TO-20 Help! in reply to Kenny in Okla., 04-21-2008 08:46:32  
Kenny,
Jerry's instructions are right on the mark - you will not get good operation with a poor spark. One question, though: is the miss limited to just one cylinder? You can pull off and replace each plug wire to see if the miss changes. When a good strong cylinder wire is removed the engine will noticibly slow but a weak cylinder's effect will not be as great. If you find one that is weak, try switching out the plug wire with a borrowed one and see if the miss goes away. If not, you may have a sticking valve or, as you wondered, a worn or damaged distributor. Did you check the push rods to be sure none of them are bent and hitting their bore? If all else checks out and the offender is a single cylinder, you may have to measure the lift of the cam to see if it is damaged.

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Jerry/MT

04-21-2008 09:59:04




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 Re: 1951 TO-20 Help! in reply to Kenny in Okla., 04-21-2008 08:46:32  
The short answer is yes, the distributor may have a worn shaft and/or bushing. But you really need to check for spark quality because there are a lot of things that can cause your problem.
Pull the center wire out of the distributor cap, hold it near good ground, turn on the key and try a start. Do you have the requisite, FAT, BLUISH-WHITE SPARK? If you don"t, you need to go through the primary ignition circuit SYSTEMATICALLY, and find out why. You never mentioned checking the point condition. Look for corroded, pitted, or maladjusted points( point gap shuld be 0.022"). Is the coil polarity correct? The wire between the distributor and the coil should be attached to the coil terminal with the same sign as the battery ground. Do you have copper core sprk plug wires? You should have and the isulation should not be cracked or broke on them. Ids the distributor cap cracked or carbon tracked?

To check for distributor shaft/bushing wear, rotate the engine til the points are closed and the push radially (from the side) on the distributor shaft and watch the points. They should not move and they certainly should not open. If they do, you"ll want to rebuild the distributor. Any good autoelectric shop can do this for you and it"s cheaper than a rebuilt or new distributor.

What plugs are you using and what do the business ends look like? Are they gapped to 0.025"? Any fluffy dry, sooty deposits indicate an overly rich miture? Wet black depoits mean the rings have lost oil control. I prefer Autolite 3116 plugs. They are non-resistor plugs(as opposed to the resistor Autolite 386 plugs in most tune up kits).

Whatever you do, DON"T START SWAPPING PARTS OUT! SYSTEMATICALLY check out your ignition system AND THEN REPLACE THE PART THAT IS BAD OR ADJUT THE MALADJUSTED PART.

If you spark is good, check the timing and make sure that the advance is working as long as you have the timing light out.. If this all checks out, check out the idle mixture setting.

Hope this helps you.

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