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Reid Fisher

03-02-2008 21:54:44

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OK guys, be straight with me: my 47 Ford 2N is aging, will need a cash/labor infusion (brakes, clutch, generator, new manifold gasket, prob carb overhaul, some day hydraulics, don't want to thing about engine overhaul). I may be able to pick up a similar to slightly younger vintage Ferguson -- looks a heck of a lot like a 9N or 8N, except I think it's 12V, has overhead valve engine (TO-20? 30??). It's much more rust-free, seems less beat. Key question: are all the Ferguson parts as available as they are for the Ford? Or will keeping this baby healthy be harder and more expensive? I just use it for light duty grading, twice-yearly disking of an acre. Thank you all!

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Reid Fisher

03-19-2008 09:30:22

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Re: It's a TO-30 I think in reply to Reid Fisher, 03-02-2008 21:54:44

I think the Fergy is a TO-30, haven't figured out the year yet. Here's what there is as far as #'s I could find/read. On the dash: Ser. No. TO-88339. On a Ferguson badge on the block: Z129-374059 and "cyl size TO-30 STD." Cast into the block: Z129A600 with a 0 underneath.

We'll fire it up, check hydraulics, gears next week before I buy. Very straight, tires good, fluids all up and OK, 1" play in steering wheel, no real rust; I uploaded a pic and I can send more. What say guys? Good machine if it runs OK?

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lonestarjeff

03-08-2008 08:35:41

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Re: Change horses? (Ford for Ferguson?) in reply to Reid Fisher, 03-02-2008 21:54:44

Reid....your 2N is so close to the Fergy you found(features-wise)....unless its a -35...but I can understand wanting to have something more shiny & less rusty.

If you're into doing your own rebuilding I'd keep the 2N, but if not I'd get a price from a local mechanic & compare against the Fergy. It's hard to factor that "something new" element into the deal, though.

I'd say look for a 600 or NAA(live hydraulics)but you really don't necessarily need it for blading or disking.

What's the price of the Fergy you're looking at?

Jeff

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motorv8N

03-03-2008 18:01:11

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Re: Change horses? (Ford for Ferguson?) in reply to Reid Fisher, 03-02-2008 21:54:44

Hey Reid - c'mon in -- the water's fine! I set out hell bent on Ford ownership for my first vinatage tractor, joined this forum and even thought up a neat Ford username.

So, what am I doing over here? Well, after looking at a bunch of Fords all over the place, I tripped over a Ferguson for sale not an hour down the road from me. Was a little pricer that I wanted but the tin was good and it came with a seven foot blade on the back.

I had exactly the same concerns you did when comparing the apparent proliferation of Ford parts versus Ferguson but took the leap anyway and have since discovered these fine folks over in this forum and all sorts of parts sources for my TEA20. The TEA has the Standard motor which doesn't seem as prone to cracking but still has its quirks. Biggest disappointment so far is there's no position control on this 51 and Ford had that licked way before. An easy retrofit though.
So far, I'm loving my Fergie I gotta say. Just replaced the gear stick starter switch this weekend. Had no problem finding the part or fitting it up. I even managed not to drop the linkage into the clutch housing as I was doing it! On tap for the spring is some new seals, wiring, and a temp gauge. All easily sourced once you start digging around. I'm sure there are some parts that will be tricky but I'd say you aren't taking much of a chance on something that's already complete and running ok. :D
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Jeff-oh

03-04-2008 07:20:38

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Re: Change horses? (Ford for Ferguson?) in reply to motorv8N, 03-03-2008 18:01:11

Just to clarify...

Position control is not a standard part of the ford 9N or 2N models. The Ford 8N and later had it as standard.

The Ferguson -20's and -30's did not have Position control standard, but on TO-35's and later it was.

FYI I have plans on a simple to build position control add-on that works for the Fergusons and the N's. The plans are free to anyone who asks and were originally drawn by another member here.

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Jeff-oh

03-03-2008 13:59:43

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Re: Change horses? (Ford for Ferguson?) in reply to Reid Fisher, 03-02-2008 21:54:44

If you have time to shop I'd lean to a TO-35, MF-35 same machine or MF-135 (next generation mid 1960's) with a two stage clutch. (Live PTO). This will be similar to a Ford 600 series or 800 series.

It will aslo have the position control for blade work.

They will cost in the $2500 to $3500 range for a To/MF-35 and $3000 to $5000 for a MF-135

Based on condition. (assuming working order.)

If your deal is for a TO-20 or TO-30 in the Sub $2000 range that could be a good deal.

A TO-20 will be similar to the 9N/2N.

Parts are redily available.

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Reid Fisher

03-03-2008 09:46:47

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Re: Thx - I'll be back w info in reply to Reid Fisher, 03-02-2008 21:54:44

Thanks for the great advice, thoughts, and the model/serial # key. I'll be back with info and more ??'s if this pans out.

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Gerald J.

03-03-2008 09:41:34

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Re: Change horses? (Ford for Ferguson?) in reply to Reid Fisher, 03-02-2008 21:54:44

I had an 8N for a few years for moving snow.

My MF-135 makes that 8N look like a toy because the 135 does so much more real work.

Gerald J.

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John Mason, Michigan

03-03-2008 04:51:29

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Re: Change horses? (Ford for Ferguson?) in reply to Reid Fisher, 03-02-2008 21:54:44

Reid, Make the change! I also had a 1947 2N. Now I have a 1955 TO35 (Z134 engine). Ferguson is much nicer, although I did like the Ford. I sold it last spring for $2,100.00. A TO20 will have slightly more HP than the 2N. Good luck and keep us posted.

John

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John (TR)

03-03-2008 04:42:31

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Re: Change horses? (Ford for Ferguson?) in reply to Reid Fisher, 03-02-2008 21:54:44

You'll be fine, The Ferguson is no slouch and has a little more power. Its pretty easy to dump a lot of money into a tractor that may be worth 2500 in pristine condition.

I have a TO35, have had a TO 20, and have 3 N's. They all have their good/bad points. I guess from following the boards I'd want to really check out a 20 due to the number of cracked blocks that seem to keep coming up. But you have to do the same with the N's also, left side by the drain cock.

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Richard L

03-03-2008 04:23:58

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Re: Change horses? (Ford for Ferguson?) in reply to Reid Fisher, 03-02-2008 21:54:44

Elvin, on the Fergie on the dash at base of steering wheel is the serial number it will start with TO, TE, or TEA get the number and this site left column you can figure out what you have and what year. Also on engine just below dipstick cast numbers Z 120= TO 20 / Z 129 = TO 30. Good luck Richard

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Elvin Frank

03-02-2008 23:37:58

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Re: Change horses? (Ford for Ferguson?) in reply to Reid Fisher, 03-02-2008 21:54:44

I don't know a whole lot about the ferguson tractors, i've been told they are just as good at the N's. I have the opportunity to buy a couple of them at a steal. As far as parts goes, if the prices on this website are represenative, the ferguson's are more expensive, i've also been told they are better machines as they have a "tractor" engine as opposed to the "automobile" engine that some consider the N's to have. I don't think you can go wrong either way, you'll have to eventually have to work on the ferguson too. I can vouch for the N's they are very good machines, good luck

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Kirk-NJ

03-02-2008 23:34:31

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Re: Change horses? (Ford for Ferguson?) in reply to Reid Fisher, 03-02-2008 21:54:44

First off you are asking this question on a ferguson forum so most of the people may be leaning that way. That said I have both a ford 8n and a TO30.The choice is up to you. Between your 2n and TO30 is more HP and a 4 speed trans. The conversion to 12 volt maybe a quick fix that may hide other problems. As far as available parts ford are more available and maybe cheaper but ferguson parts are still around.
If I had to chose between my red belly and my TO30 I would choose my 30 Mainly because it has a rebuilt engine.
It's your money, it's your choice.
Kirk

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steveormary

03-03-2008 06:33:03

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Re: Change horses? (Ford for Ferguson?) in reply to Kirk-NJ, 03-02-2008 23:34:31

I grew up with Fergusons and later Fords. We never cracked the blocks on any of them. The Fords were newer. No N's. They were both good tractors. I would lean toward Ferguson.

steveormary

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