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TheOldHokie

12-07-2007 08:12:15




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Hi all,

I hang out over in the Ford area but I've had a couple inquiries from Ferguson owners about the sleeve service toolkits I make for vintage Ford tractors. They wanted to know if my tools could be used to R&R sleeves in the older Ferguson motors. I have no experience with the Ferguson motors but I have been inside the Standard motor used in Triumph TR-3/4's which I think is very similar. The wet sleeves used in the Standard motor are rather beefy castings and much simpler to service than the dry sleeves used in the Fords.

I think all that's needed to adapt my tools to the Ferguson motors is a stepped bushing with the appropriate diameters on it. It would be used to pull the old sleeve and drive in the new one using the jackscrew and handle from my existing toolkits. I'd also like a single bushing to fit both the TO-20 and the TO-30 motors if at all possible. Can some kind knowledgable person provide the standard bores and OD's of the sleeves used in those motors? A crude dimensioned sketch would be great! If they are like the sleeves in the Standard they have a machined neck on the bottom where they fit into the web in the block. The OD of the machined portion is the dimension I need.

You can visit my website if you'd like more info - just click on the picture.

Thanks greatly,

TOH

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Jim in OH

12-08-2007 13:30:42




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 Re: Engine Sleeve Service Tools in reply to GrampaJack, 12-07-2007 08:12:15  

TheOldHokie said: (quoted from post at 08:56:37 12/08/07) Thanks Jim,

...what I need to know is what the OD's of the different variants are where they seat in the block. I'd like to ensure the puller bushing will pass through the web in the block.TOH


The diameter ffor the OD of the liner at the block web on a TO30 (Z129) is 3.682. I don't know what it is for a TO20 (Z120) but I would assume it is about 0.060 less since the maximum bore is that much less than the Z129... but you really should get it from a TO20 guy.. I am just giving an educated guess....

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motorv8N

12-08-2007 05:04:52




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 Re: Engine Sleeve Service Tools in reply to TheOldHokie, 12-07-2007 08:12:15  
Howdy TOH -- I'm waiting on the CD version of the shop manual for my 52 TEA 20. If you don't have the answer by then I'll go through it and see if there's anything that would be useful for you. I do believe the Standard motor in these machines is very much like the Triumph. I've heard some seals and bearings are identical.

And very nice job on the wood version there, Jim. In fact, if you measure the indentation on your bottom block, it just might be the number TOH needs! third party image

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Jim in OH

12-07-2007 19:45:45




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 Re: Engine Sleeve Service Tools in reply to TheOldHokie, 12-07-2007 08:12:15  
TOH... Here is what I made and used:
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and here is what the parts are:
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and the link to the instructions is below...

These Ferguson sleeves are not as difficult as the Ford. I think I had $5 in parts... Worked great for me.. Jim

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TheOldHokie

12-08-2007 07:56:37




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 Re: Engine Sleeve Service Tools in reply to Jim in OH, 12-07-2007 19:45:45  
Thanks Jim,

Yes these sleeves are surely easier than the ones in the Fords if my experience on the Standard motors is any indication and I'm sure your setup works just fine. As I said I have folks who have already purchased the Ford puller and would like to be able to use it on Fergusons as well. All I need is definitive dimensions for the different sleeve variants. I believe you listed bores of 3.1875, 3.250, 3.3175 ,and 3.375 as common variants in another post. Assuming those are corrsect for the bores what I need to know is what the OD's of the different variants are where they seat in the block. I'd like to ensure the puller bushing will pass through the web in the block.

TOH

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DennisPinOhio

12-08-2007 04:41:36




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 Re: Engine Sleeve Service Tools in reply to Jim in OH, 12-07-2007 19:45:45  
Nice job!
I hope never have to use it, but just in case, I've copied it into my YTMag file.
Thank you!



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Crem

12-08-2007 18:32:31




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 Re: Engine Sleeve Service Tools in reply to DennisPinOhio, 12-08-2007 04:41:36  
I agree that Jim did a nice job with materials that a person would have on hand.



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