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delane

10-16-2007 15:58:38




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I have been getting alot of input from everyone about my to30 especially from mark from the fort.on my distributer when i line my rotor up with the #1 distributer port my points should start to open. this is what i was told. well that is not happening. i have to turn rotor and cam further to get my points to start opening which is causing my rotor not to line up with #1 port. this is a brand new distributer. is there an adjustment to correct this or is it a faulty distributer. my old delco remy distributer lines up and points start to open but i had other problems with that distributer is why i bought new one. was thinking that may be some of my timing problems on my tractor. any input on this would be appreciated. also there is a small ball bearing port on trhis new distributer. you can push the ball bearing in. thinking it may be an oil port or something. i appreciate all your help.

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gshadel

10-17-2007 09:57:07




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 Re: to30 in reply to delane, 10-16-2007 15:58:38  
The Z129 doesn't have a timing chain. It has a timing gear on the crank that turns the cam. , It might be possible to skip if the gear is walking off the shaft or something, but not likely.

I think Mark hit on it, if your rotor ain't pointing to #1 plug terminal at the top of the #1 piston compression stroke, lift the distributor out, rotate it, and re-insert so that it does line-up on the # 1 terminal. It's just a gear drive, not a slot like some engines, the distributor gear will mesh-up with the cam in any position. Keep in mind that you fine tune the distributor alignment (& point opening) by loosening the hold-down clamp & rotating the distributor left or right as needed to dial-in 7 degrees BTC on the flywheel. That may be all you need to do on yours. You can eyeball the points to see when they start to open, but I think a more precise way is to power the coil/distributor from your battery with the dist. cap on, & a plug or paperclip installed on # 1 plug wire. With engine turned to 7 degrees BTC, rotate distributor left/right until you get spark, then tighten down the distributor clamp. Your timed & that should be sufficient to get you started so you can fine-tune with a timing light.
This may be a re-hash of old advise, but make sure you have a good blue spark on your plugs, not a weak orange/yellow spark, or your TO may not start. If your sure on your timing & quality of spark, yet still won't run. The carb is probably the next likely culprit.

George

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Chuck (CA)

10-17-2007 07:34:07




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 A Footnote in reply to delane, 10-16-2007 15:58:38  
What's bothering me is why did it run fine for 3 days and then quit? All of a sudden, it's 1 notch off. If repositioning the distributor doesn't work, I'm fearing the timing chain. If it slipped, your cam jumped. A bit more involved, but still not has bad as tearing into the engine. You'll need a gear puller and some patience. Mark, I've never replaced one on a Z129, but is there some more issues he should be aware of?

Chuck

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mark from the fort

10-16-2007 17:06:18




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 Re: to30 in reply to delane, 10-16-2007 15:58:38  
Chuck is right. the gears that run the distributor are at an angle--therefore when you think the distributor is right and you lower it into the tractor, the angled teeth mesh together and actually rotate the distributor shaft a little as it drops into tractor.
Unbolt mounting clamp, CAREFULLY, pull distributor straight up out of tractor, and rotate it a small amount and relower into tractor, not check where points start to open.
If not better, re-remove and rotated more the same or other way and retest.
You are actually starting into tractor "OFF" of alignment with #1 plug location, but then while inserting, it will rotate into correct spot.
As Chuck said, you are very close. Mark.
Once satisfied, you may have to do retime distributor: as #1 piston is reaching top, stop at 6 degree mark, now,while mounting bolt is loose,SLOWLY, rotate left or right till points JUST begin to separate. TIghten distributor nut.
Regards, Mark.
If you'd like, feel free to email: jbhofc@verizon.net

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mark from the fort

10-16-2007 17:07:16




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 Re: to30 in reply to mark from the fort, 10-16-2007 17:06:18  
I meant to type "now" check where points start to open. I apologize. Mark



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Chuck (CA)

10-16-2007 16:44:15




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 Re: to30 in reply to delane, 10-16-2007 15:58:38  
Sounds like maybe the distributor is off my one cog. Lift distributor out, rotate rotor so when it goes back in, it lines up with # 1 plug wire.
Souunds like you"re real close!!
HTH Chuck



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