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Engine rebuilt but think the governor may be fault

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JEH31

05-13-2007 15:07:51




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My son & his classmates rebuilt the engine of our '55 T0-35 Deluxe (gas). The tractor will run well for a few moments but then the engine will "bog down" and cut off unless the operator pulls the choke out most of the way. If it does cut off, it won't restart unless the choke is out. The exhaust is clean (no smoke) but smells rich. Do they troubleshoot the governor or the carburator. BTW, they rebuilt the Carb. I spoke with the class instructor today who says he's done all the adjusting he knows to do. Thoughts?

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charger

06-28-2007 03:01:21




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 Re: Engine rebuilt but think the governor may be fault in reply to JEH31, 05-13-2007 15:07:51  
My 2 cents from basic auto knowledge would say fuel delivery as #1 and at a distant second would be vacuum leak around carb.I'd be tempted to check fuel flow right off



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Gerald J.

05-13-2007 18:45:36




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 Re: Engine rebuilt but think the governor may be f in reply to JEH31, 05-13-2007 15:07:51  
Sounds to me like a fuel starvation problem which gets talked about on some YT forum practically every day. Something in the fuel system which can include the float needle and seat, the inlet screen, the fuel line itself, the fuel screen and the shut off valve screen inside the tank is restricting flow. I've seen every one of these shut off fuel in a vintage tractor. Varnish and stuff can seal off screens or clog small fuel lines as well as passages inside the carburetor. There often is a screen on the inside of the carburetor fuel inlet adapter and I've seen that so plugged I couldn't detect 60 PSI air getting through.

If it runs longer, check the gas tank vent (generaly in the gas cap), the ignition coil, or the ignition condenser.

Gerald J.

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JEH31

05-13-2007 17:27:06




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 Re: Engine rebuilt but think the governor may be f in reply to JEH31, 05-13-2007 15:07:51  
Haywood, Jerry,

Thank you. There's a mechanic in the next county who travels to work on-location. He has worked with this tractor before. I'll ask if would like to take another shot. In the meantime, the Ag-Science instructor has your replies to my question. We'll see.

Jim



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Jerry/MT

05-13-2007 16:50:40




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 Re: Engine rebuilt but think the governor may be f in reply to JEH31, 05-13-2007 15:07:51  
I doubt it's the governor. 80% of the poor running problems with engines that are in reasonable mechanical shape are due to poor primary ignition circuit performance, probably 18% are due to fuel delivery problems and the rest are other causes.

You could have a problem with the primary ignition circuit or the fuel delivery. The first one is relatively easy to check. Start the tractor and when it dies. Pull the center wire out of the didtributor cap, hold it near(1/8"-1/4") a good ground and try a start. You should see a FAT, BLUISH-WHITE SPARK. If you do then the primary ignition circuit is OK. If you don't you need to find out why. It could be improper points etting, corroded, burnt, or oily points, bad coil, bad ignition switch, corroded connections, dammaged wire, etc.

IF you have the requiste FAT, BLUISH-WHITE SPARK, then check the fueldelivery by holding a suitable container under the carburetor,and with the tank valve wide open, remove the plug from the bottom of the carburetor( I'm presumeing you have a few gallons of gas in the tank.)The fuel should run out CONTINUOUSLY, like a cow peein' on a flat rock. If it dribbles, runs for a short time then stops, is intermitent, etc then you have a problem with th fuel delivery. These old machines were often parked in the back forty and all manner of crap and corruption can be found in the fuel tank and lines. If you don't have the gushing continuous fuel flow then your fuel delivery is not good.
There is a screeen on the fuel inlet elbow to the carb that catches the coarse stuff. Check that first. Then there is the sediment bowl. Above the sedimenent bowl there is a screen or a filter and finnaly there is the sube in the tank and maybe another screen around the sdupply tube that could be clogged. The fuel line could have a bend or kink that is clogged. The carburetor fuel bowl could be full of fine sediments and not allow the float vave to drop or the float valve can hung up.(The latter can sometimes be temporarily fixed with a sharp rap on the side of the carb with a block of wood.) the float valve could also be clogged. Your float could also be misadjusted.
Check the lines between the carb and the tank first. If you don't find the problem there. Then you'll have to remove the carb and check the flaot system and the fuel bowl.
One final comment. Since you are having to pull the choke to keep it running, if the spark is correct(FAT AND BLUISH-WHITE), the fuel flow is good, and the carb float valve functioning properly, you may have an air leak around the carb metering section causing the mixture to be too lean. That could be caused by an airleak around the throttle shaft, around the connect flange between the carb and the intake manifold and/or a leak between the intake manifold and the cylinder head. To check for that, CAREFULLY spray starting fluid around those areas with the engine running and listen for an rpm increase when you hit the leak.

Hope this helps.

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Jerry/MT

05-13-2007 16:49:32




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 Re: Engine rebuilt but think the governor may be f in reply to JEH31, 05-13-2007 15:07:51  
I doubt it's the governor. 80% of the poor running problems with engines that are in reasonable mechanical shape are due to poor primary ignition circuit performance, probably 18% are due to fuel delivery problems and the rest are other causes.

You could have a problem with the primary ignition circuit or the fuel delivery. The first one is relatively easy to check. Start the tractor and when it dies. Pull the center wire out of the didtributor cap, hold it near(1/8"-1/4") a good ground and try a start. You should see a FAT, BLUISH-WHITE SPARK. If you do then the primary ignition circuit is OK. If you don't you need to find out why. It could be improper points etting, corroded, burnt, or oily points, bad coil, bad ignition switch, corroded connections, dammaged wire, etc.

IF you have the requiste FAT, BLUISH-WHITE SPARK, then check the fueldelivery by holding a suitable container under the carburetor,and with the tank valve wide open, remove the plug from the bottom of the carburetor( I'm presumeing you have a few gallons of gas in the tank.)The fuel should run out CONTINUOUSLY, like a cow peein' on a flat rock. If it dribbles, runs for a short time then stops, is intermitent, etc then you have a problem with th fuel delivery. These old machines were often parked in the back forty and all manner of crap and corruption can be found in the fuel tank and lines. If you don't have the gushing continuous fuel flow then your fuel delivery is not good.
There is a screeen on the fuel inlet elbow to the carb that catches the coarse stuff. Check that first. Then there is the sediment bowl. Above the sedimenent bowl there is a screen or a filter and finnaly there is the sube in the tank and maybe another screen around the sdupply tube that could be clogged. The fuel line could have a bend or kink that is clogged. The carburetor fuel bowl could be full of fine sediments and not allow the float vave to drop or the float valve can hung up.(The latter can sometimes be temporarily fixed with a sharp rap on the side of the carb with a block of wood.) the float valve could also be clogged. Your float could also be misadjusted.
Check the lines between the carb and the tank first. If you don't find the problem there. Then you'll have to remove the carb and check the flaot system and the fuel bowl.
One final comment. Since you are having to pull the choke to keep it running, if the spark is correct(FAT AND BLUISH-WHITE), the fuel flow is good, and the carb float valve functioning properly, you may have an air leak around the carb metering section causing the mixture to be too lean. That could be caised by an airleak around the hrottle shaft, around the connect flange between the carb and the intake manifold and/or a leak between the intake manifold and the cylinder head. To check for that, CAREFULLY spray staring fluis around those aerea with the engine running and listen for an rpm increase when you hit the leak.

Hope this helps.

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Haywood

05-13-2007 16:28:48




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 Re: Engine rebuilt but think the governor may be f in reply to JEH31, 05-13-2007 15:07:51  
It does not sound like the governor to me.

Having to choke a carb would indicate a fuel delivery problem.

I have seen where folks have installed the throttle shaft wrong and the governor and is working the butterfly the wrong direction.

Or there is simply something wrong in the carb.



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CENTAUR

05-13-2007 17:24:42




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 Re: Engine rebuilt but think the governor may be f in reply to Haywood, 05-13-2007 16:28:48  
Come on now .Butterflies know which way to go.(LOL) CENTAUR



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