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Terrry

05-05-2007 06:59:51




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I replaced my battery during the winter (the other blew up). All has been well except up until recently. With the volt meter on battery reads just under 12 volts and will not do anything when I turn the key. But if I put the charger on it it, at least the starter will click ,click but not turn over the engine. After more charging it will eventially will start. This is a to 35 with 12 volt system. all wireing is new 3 years ago. I I find it hard to believe a wire is shorting. What else should I be looking for. Thanks for your suggestions.

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RoySC

05-06-2007 08:21:43




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 Re: Electical problem in reply to Terrry, 05-05-2007 06:59:51  
Batteries may act different under "load" conditions....like when it's turning your starter vs. just sitting idle. My experience is troubleshooting batteries can get a bit complicated....causing you to run down the wrong path. I'd take the battery to one of the auto shops who test it for free....they have the equipment to test it under a load....then you'll have a better idea on how to proceed with your troubleshooting....good luck

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Gerald J.

05-05-2007 20:29:37




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 Re: Electical problem in reply to Terrry, 05-05-2007 06:59:51  
A voltage regulator has no direct effect on starting, it only affects charging. Of course, if the battery isn't being charged it won't keep starting.

A meter continuity test will make a bad battery connection look good because it tests at 0.0001 amp while the starter needs a few hundred amps. The resistance for the meter can be an ohm, for the starter that resistance needs to be under 0.005 ohm for the entire starter circuit. Clean the battery posts until they shine (they make a brush for that). Clean the mating connectors until they shine. Clean the connections at the frame and starter solonoid too. It only takes one bad connection to cause the starter solenoid to only click. Starter cables from Wal-mart are not big enough for most tractor applications.

It is possible that the starter brushes have worn to nubbins or that the wires connecting to them have broken. Its possible that the bearings in the starter are worn and the magnetic forces are causing the armature to stick to the field poles.

These are fundamentals of starter circuits that you can't neglect. All of these details have to be right for good cranking.

Gerald J.

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Terrry

05-05-2007 18:10:12




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 Re: Electical problem in reply to Terrry, 05-05-2007 06:59:51  
I disconnected all wires & cables to clean them (shine them up) checked the continuity of all wires; Still only clicking, but now I know the clicking is at the voltage regulator. So I am going to assume that it is to fault and will buy a new one. Hope that is the problems



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John(UK)

05-05-2007 11:11:02




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 Re: Electical problem in reply to Terrry, 05-05-2007 06:59:51  
As Ed. has already told you, if you haven't removed the ground lead from the back of the Dash Panel then you should do, refit it on one of the setscrews close to the Starter. After 50 years the Dash no longer makes a good connection with the rest of the tractor. We used to get problems with the Diesels through bad connections and they had the same symptoms as you have now...John



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Lance J.

05-05-2007 08:21:34




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 Re: Electical problem in reply to Terrry, 05-05-2007 06:59:51  
Terry,

Just under 12 volts should be enough to turn and start the engine. If you find that you can only start it with the charger on it, you have a voltage drop happening somewhere when you try to start it. I would start at the battery. Put the voltmeter on the battery terminals and watch the voltage when you try to satrt it. The volts should not drop more than a full volt when trying to start. If they drop to less than 10 volts when trying to start, but return to normal when you release the key, you likely have a battery with a dead or weak cell. The only solution, naturally, is a new battery. After this, check your battery cables and connections. With your voltmeter, check for excessive resistance between the positive battery terminal and the solenoid, and the negative battery terminal and ground. Try gently flexing the cables and repeating the ohms test. You should never get more than 50 ohms resitance in any wire or cable. Remember, corrosion can hide inside cable insulation. Beyond this, the most likely cause is the solenoid or starter itself. I've never had a Ferguson starter apart, but I would suspect they're similar to many automotive starters in that there are replaceable contacts inside. These contacts wear over time just like ignition points and usually cause the symptoms you describe. Good luck, keep us informed on what you find. Lance J

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Ed H.=Ohio

05-05-2007 07:19:23




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 Re: Electical problem in reply to Terrry, 05-05-2007 06:59:51  
Hello, My first guess would be if you have a lead post battery is one side is making a poor connection, scrape them out a little and reconnect. This can happen at starter and ground connections also. John (UK) recomends taking the ground cable from the battery off the dash pannel and remountig it to the engine block as they loose conection through the dash offen. -ed



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