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12 volt conversion

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chris sweetland

03-16-2007 09:39:25




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i know this subject has been beaten but i got a few questions the only thing the ballast resistor drops the voltage to is the coil correct? so if i put in a 12v coil will i need a resistor? or will i fry points? if so are there 12v points? oh yea i got a 1949 to-20 the 6v work ok but i keep going through vr's any other ideas or should i just go with a resistor? thanks chris




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Jim W

03-18-2007 08:28:13




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 Re: 12 volt conversion in reply to chris sweetland, 03-16-2007 09:39:25  
It is the condenser that protects the points.
Jim



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Jerry/MT

03-16-2007 15:35:49




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 Re: 12 volt conversion in reply to chris sweetland, 03-16-2007 09:39:25  
If you want to save the 6V coil, you must use a resistor or the point current will be too high, the points will burn and the coil insulation will melt causing coil failure. If you use a real 12V coil(ala NAPA's IC-14SB @$15)you won't need the resistor.



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Don Schueler

03-16-2007 19:49:48




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 Re: 12 volt conversion in reply to Jerry/MT, 03-16-2007 15:35:49  
I changed my TO-20 over to 12 volt Even the coil. I thought the resistor protected the points If this not true will removing the resistor give me a hotter spark? Has anyone changed the distributer over to electronic ignition and is it worth the money? thanks for all the great info. Don from Tenn.



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Jerry/MT

03-17-2007 12:59:21




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 Re: 12 volt conversion in reply to Don Schueler, 03-16-2007 19:49:48  
There are two types of 12V coil out there. A "real" 12 V colil and a "pseudo" 12V coil. The real coil has the resistance built in to the coil. The pseudo has a note on the coil that says something like "Use an external resistor with this coil".

The correct "real 12V coil" for these tractors converted to 12V is NAPA part number IC-14SB and it costs about $15. I'm sure there are others but that's what I converted to on my TO-30.

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mike a. tenn.

03-16-2007 16:11:08




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 Re: 12 volt conversion thanks jerry! in reply to Jerry/MT, 03-16-2007 15:35:49  
i needed that coil number! i wanna change mine out on the to-20 and get rid of the resistor. that is...if my wife ever lets me off this house remodel she has me doing and lets me go back to livin' in my shop. have a good one jer...

-mike



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chris sweetland

03-16-2007 10:50:44




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 Re: 12 volt conversion in reply to chris sweetland, 03-16-2007 09:39:25  
thanks for the laugh bob it was a question an apparently you couldn't handle answering it, thanks john its positive ground with a ground strap running to the vr to the battery again thanks for the info



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gshadel

03-16-2007 13:11:20




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 Re: 12 volt conversion in reply to chris sweetland, 03-16-2007 10:50:44  
Chris,
They just don't make voltage regulators like they used to. They seem to all be coming from China & on the cheap side. They fail pretty easy. I went through 2 in 2 years myself a couple years back. Mine would just not kick-in and charge.

There are a couple set of points inside the VR's, If I recall correctly, one opens to break contact to the battery when you shutdown, the other closes to charge the battery while running. If the point gap is too wide, they can't close (they use little electromagnets). There is a helper spring on them too, adjusting the spring tension helps them kick-in at the right voltage.

I pulled these numbers from my manual...


Cutout relay air point gap = .020 inches, closing voltage 5 - 7 volts.

Voltage regulator air gap .075 inches.

I sat down with my TO a couple years back and operated on my VR using a multimeter and adjusted it to manual... have not had any more serious problems with it. It sometimes sticks on cold days when I start-up & I have to thump it with a scrwdriver to get it to start charging again. Other than that, it's been working good. Might try tweeking your VR before converting to 12V, tweeking is free.

George

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Bob

03-16-2007 10:59:51




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 Chris in reply to chris sweetland, 03-16-2007 10:50:44  
Sorry you found my reply offensive.

NO offense was meant just a little friendly "ribbing".

(Disclaimer... Please do not take offense at this post appologizing for my last offensive post.) And... HAVE A GOOD DAY!



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John (UK)

03-16-2007 10:32:11




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 Re: 12 volt conversion in reply to chris sweetland, 03-16-2007 09:39:25  
Check the ground on the Voltage regulator if your having problems, make sure whatever you ground it to has a good contact, don't ground it to any sheet metal always the tractor main castings. The resistor is only for the coil so if you use a 12v coil you won't need one, but you wont use a 12v coil on a 6volt system, the points are the same for 6v and 12v so is the condenser. Have you got the tractor set up as negative ground, it should be positive ground...that could cause your problems too. If you have to change it you will have to polarise your generator again or it may not work.

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Bob

03-16-2007 10:15:08




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 Re: 12 volt conversion in reply to chris sweetland, 03-16-2007 09:39:25  
A TRUE 12-Volt coil does NOT need a ballast resistor. It's primary resistance will be in the 3-plus to 4.5 Ohms range.

12-Volt points! LOL!



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Bob (Aust)

03-17-2007 02:10:09




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 Re: 12 volt conversion in reply to Bob, 03-16-2007 10:15:08  
"Has anyone changed the distributer over to electronic ignition and is it worth the money?"

Don. I converted my TEA20 to Pertronics LU-145 electronic ignition and a Pertronics high voltage coil. Best thing I ever did!!

Fergy starts easier than it ever did, runs smoother and revs quicker. No points and condenser to worry about any more!!! I am re painting the old girl and when finished I intend to experiment with wider plug gaps.

You need to convert to negative earth (I converted my Fergy to negative earth many years ago.)

Definately worth the money!!!

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