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Barry from Stir

02-09-2007 14:36:02

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Afternoon Everyone
My 1952 TEA-2085 sits outside at the back of my house during the winter months. Reason being is because I have to plug her in to start her. Yesterday while trying to start her I noticed somthing odd. It normally rolls over fairly slow ( it has started that way since the day I bought her )when I start her. Anyway yesterday while starting her she rolled quite fast, this is when I noticed that the key was NOT turned on, while still rolling her over I turned ON the key and the rolling slowed to a crawl. She still fired right up. While would it roll faster with the key turned off and slower with the key turned on? Anyway stay warm my friends, Ontario is in a deep freeze -25 to -30. Thanks in advance for any and all responses. Barry

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Irv ( Ia)

02-12-2007 19:32:53

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Re: Why would it do that in reply to Barry from Stirling, 02-09-2007 14:36:02

I just put a new distributor in my TO-20 and it still did the same as yours with my 6 volts system. I would assume that my timing is a little fast, thus the kicking against the starter, but it seems just right when running. I was bound and determined to keep my original 6 volt system but couldn't get it started, so out of frustration I got a 12 volt battery, coil and condenser. I put them in and it starts instantly, never mind the fast timing!! I love it. I'm in the process of putting on an alternator,too. Mind you, it's been pretty cold here too, but not near as cold as you.

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Bill Brox

02-12-2007 09:23:56

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Re: Why would it do that in reply to Barry from Stirling, 02-09-2007 14:36:02

Hello Barry. I have a couple of questions if you don't mind.

1. When you turn the engine over with the key on (ign. on) does the engine seem to roll fast and then barely goes over when the piston is reaching maximum compression, then increase speed again until the next piston is reaching maximum compression and so forth. Or, is the engine running with a steady low speed.

2. Have you tried to measure voltage when you crank the engine with and without key on ?

The reason for the first question is that if the starter motor revs. the engine in a very variable speed, almost stop at each compression stroke, the cause may be as the other ones says. But, if the starter motor just slows down and crank the engine at a steady slow speed, then it can be something in the circuit that steals current for some reason.

Would be fun to hear your comment on this.

Bill

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JIm in OH

02-09-2007 16:23:05

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Re: Why would it do that in reply to Barry from Stirling, 02-09-2007 14:36:02

I agree with Matt, it sounds like timing.... if so, retiming it will probably fix the hard starting situation... but the root of the timing problem could be a binding mechanical advance mechanism in the distributor (i.e., stuck advanced so it does not return to its normal initial position).. I'd make sure that the advance system is free and functional, then time it.. Jim in OH

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Barry from Stirling

02-09-2007 17:51:17

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Re: Why would it do that in reply to JIm in OH, 02-09-2007 16:23:05

Well that sounds like the fix. The only thing I have done with her in the 6 years that I have owned her is replace the timing chain. Some of the guys on here might have remembered that fix, it seemed I posted on here daily about that problem. Ok saying that is the problem, how does one set about fixing it properly?? Thanks again as always. Barry

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Gerald J.

02-09-2007 17:56:00

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Re: Why would it do that in reply to Barry from Stirling, 02-09-2007 17:51:17

Ignition timing is set by the distributor position and the centrifugal advance in the bottom of the distributor. If its rusted fast its probably stuck advanced. You need to lift off the cap, rotor, points and points plate to get to the centrifugal weights. Their springs sometimes rus off too. You can check with just the cap off and see if the rotor can be turned only one way from its resting position or if it can be turned at all. Its probably stuck advanced and won't turn at all. There's a wad of felt in the hollow shaft under the rotor that needed oil 20 years ago...

Gerald J.

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Matt L

02-09-2007 15:57:13

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Re: Why would it do that in reply to Barry from Stirling, 02-09-2007 14:36:02

Timing might be too far advanced.

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