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Ianb

12-31-2006 20:26:12




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Hello,,This is a great site,and I,ve learned a lot from it. I have a 1953 TEA 20 which I,m doing a working restoration on. It has the original 12 volt system. When I measure the voltage across the battery at a high idle speed it gives a reading of between 14 and 18 volts and always changing. Will this charge the battery properly this way and if not what might be wrong with the charging system? Thanks Ian

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ianb

01-01-2007 18:30:39




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 Re: Erratic Voltage Reading in reply to Ianb, 12-31-2006 20:26:12  
Thanks for all the replies. I was using a digital voltage meter,,,,, I ,ll see if I can find my analog meter and see what the reading is on it. Thanks for now. Ian



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Jerry/MT

01-01-2007 14:25:54




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 Re: Erratic Voltage Reading in reply to Ianb, 12-31-2006 20:26:12  
Most digital volt meters are not shielded and therefore pick up all sorts of radio frequency noise when used near an engine. An analog meter will serve you better when working on this old iron.



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Joe Ferguson

01-01-2007 11:11:07




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 Re: Erratic Voltage Reading in reply to Ianb, 12-31-2006 20:26:12  
Hi

Did you used a digital meter ?
If so it may be erratic because:

Generators produces 12~15 volt with voltage regulator. It also produce very short high voltage spikes (300 ~ 1000 volts)"brush to commutator mechanical contact sparks" which are undetectable with usual test equipment. The votage regulator also produces short high voltage spikes when the contacts opens it creates back EMF of several hundred volts.

That said: Many digital multimeters see those HV
extremely short spikes and tries to measure and display the result which causes erratic and unstable display. Radio frequency interference from HV ignition system may also cause induction in the test leads and cause same results. We must use a digital multimeter designed for automotive measurement purposes.

A $10 ~ $30 analog tester (with needle) may be far more accurate than most domestic DVM for battery charging voltage measurements.

My 2¢

Joe Ferguson

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Gerald J.

01-01-2007 07:01:06




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 Re: Erratic Voltage Reading in reply to Ianb, 12-31-2006 20:26:12  
While charging, the battery terminal voltage will rise but should stop at 14.2 volts because that's when the battery is fully charged. If the regulator isn't regulating the generator or alternator will try to push the voltage higher and will damage the battery (as well as the lights) soon.

A sulfated battery will allow greater voltage but the charging current won't taper to zero like the good battery will when charged with 14.2 volts.

When overcharged the battery electrolyte will bubble, looks like its boiling, but its not that hot. Its the water being dissociated into an optimum mixture of hydrogen and oxygen for an explosion. If the electrolyte level goes down in half a day of running, the regulator isn't regulating or is regulating at too high a voltage.

Its preferable to replace the lost water with distilled water, tap water is not beneficial for battery life.

Gerald J.

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RandyR

01-01-2007 04:19:43




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 Re: Erratic Voltage Reading in reply to Ianb, 12-31-2006 20:26:12  
Hi Ianb: I had that happen om my 35, 12 volt generator. I didn't want to bother with trying to adjust the old regulator so I replaced it all with a Delco 10SI alternator and a conversion bracket to mount it to the engine. Way simpler, only took an hour and a half to install going slowly, and the voltage is a rock steady 14. Didn't even have to change the belt.
Unless keeping it "pure" matters to you, this is a lot easier.

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RP2

12-31-2006 21:50:10




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 Re: Erratic Voltage Reading in reply to Ianb, 12-31-2006 20:26:12  
On my TO-20 I find that the digital meter works okay as long as the meter and the leads are on the generator side of the engine but not on the ignition side.



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Bob

12-31-2006 21:35:58




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 Re: Erratic Voltage Reading in reply to Ianb, 12-31-2006 20:26:12  
1.) What is the ammeter showing?

2.) Are you checking the battery voltage with a DIGITAL voltmeter? MANY digital meters can't cope with the electrical "noise" produced by the ignition and charging systems on these old beasts, and will give erratic readings, making folks think the CHARGING SYSTEM is acting goofy, when the digital meter is actually what is goofy.

3.) If the voltage is REALLY high, and erratic, it points to a voltage regulator problem.

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