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6v Generator puts out 15v

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slideways

12-02-2006 16:24:24




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We just got our TE20 running.. the guy i bought it from just has a battery with no charging hooked to it.. so i have to recharge it now and then. He said the orignal 6v generator doesnt put out enought to charge the 12v battery (obviously) and it is not even hooked up. Upon testing it with a multimeter.. touching each + and - to the two terminals on the generator at idle it puts out 14-16 volts. I"d hook it to the battery but there"s no regulator and i think it would blow up my battery right?

Does that sound right? I"m pretty sure it was NOT converted over to 12v charging.

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Gerald J.

12-02-2006 18:12:14




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 Re: 6v Generator puts out 15v in reply to slideways, 12-02-2006 16:24:24  
Many 6 volt generators had three brushes and were not voltage regulated, but current regulated. So you had to turn on the lights after a while to keep the battery from being overcharged. Which on cars in the 30s made them more noticable in rain and fog in the day time.

Those three brush generators are only supplid with a cutout, usually a round can with two connections, one for battery, one for generator armature.

A 6 volt generator with a stuck voltage regulator will also put out 15 volts if its turning fast enough. If the field is connected to 6 volts, the armature voltage will be a very good proportional to speed. Double the shaft speed, doubles the voltage. If the generator is self excited, up until the field saturates, the voltage will increase faster than the speed, then will be proportional to the speed.

Is there a voltage regulator (3 terminals, rectangular can) or a cut out (2 terminals, round can)? Knowing that will let you know what else to do.

The tractor worked OK on 6 volts for nigh on 50 years, with care (fat battery cables and clean connections, and good brushes and bearings in the starter motor) it will run for another 50 without changes so long as you can buy 6 volt batteries.

Gerald J.

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Jerry/MT

12-02-2006 17:26:42




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 Re: 6v Generator puts out 15v in reply to slideways, 12-02-2006 16:24:24  
The generator with no load on it could possibly put out 15v. What does it put out with a 10 amp load? Probably signicantly less. A generator is like a pump and running it with no load is like dedheading the pump. It puts out the max pressure(analogous to voltage in an alternator or generator)when the discharge is blocked with no flow( analogous to amps in the case of your generator)coming out of the pump. In your case you measures the pressure(voltage) at 15 V with the pump(generator) at no flow(no amps).

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slideways

12-04-2006 05:38:21




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 Re: 6v Generator puts out 15v in reply to Jerry/MT, 12-02-2006 17:26:42  
Ok.. well this was at about 1000 rpm with nothing hooked up so no load. You think i can use this generator as it is to charge a 12v car battery? Do i need some kind of regulator in between? I'm new to electrical stuff so anything universal i guess would be nice.

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Jerry/MT

12-04-2006 15:10:49




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 Re: 6v Generator puts out 15v in reply to slideways, 12-04-2006 05:38:21  
I'm not a EE but they don't use 6V generators to charge 12V batteries. If you're going to a 12V system, your 6 V generator can be used as trading stock for those Ferguson folks who are big on authenticity and want every thing the way it came from the factory. You might be able to trade it for something else or sell it out right to someone like that. Otherwise, in my opinion, it's a paper weight or something to occupy volume and collect dust in your shop.

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Gerald J.

12-04-2006 22:54:11




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 Re: 6v Generator puts out 15v in reply to Jerry/MT, 12-04-2006 15:10:49  
A generator that puts out 6 volts at 1000 RPM puts out 12 volts at 2000 rpm if the field is held constant and puts out 24 volts at 4000 RPM. If the field voltage is raise to match the armature voltage it may take only 1500 rpm to put out 12 volts, but may take near 3000 rpm to put out 24 volts because of field core saturation.

The third brush generator alters the field from the load current to make it act like a constant current generator and lets the battery set the voltage, but it won't taper the charge like a voltage regulated generator.

Gerald J.

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Gerald J.

12-04-2006 15:10:09




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 Re: 6v Generator puts out 15v in reply to slideways, 12-04-2006 05:38:21  
You need a cutout to keep from discharging the battery and that cutout needs to be made for 12 volts or be a big diode. Steve at B&B sells a diode cutout.

It won't charge at low engine speeds.

Gerald J.



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