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Alternator - one wire to three wire

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Boyde from Bram

11-27-2006 07:58:10




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I have a one wire 10 SL alternator. I have not installed it yet.

I have been reading posts to this forumn and I gather a three wire setup might be better than a one wire.

Can a one wire be converted to a three wire?

If it can be done, can it be done without disassembling the alternator?

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Boyde




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Bob

11-27-2006 08:10:16




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 Re: Alternator - one wire to three wire in reply to Boyde from Brampton, 11-27-2006 07:58:10  
SOME "one-wire" alternators can easily be converted by removing the rubber plug over the voltage regulator terminals, and connecting them as a three-wire unit.

I have NO way of knowing if that will work with yours, or not. SOME "one-wire" alternators seem to drain the battery over a period of time, when the tractor sits unused. Some folks deny this attribute of the one-wire units. If your's is one of the units prone to slowly discharging the battery, the added "3-wire" connections won't help with that.

This is a partial diagram of a three-wire setup.

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A #194 indicator lamp, used as an "idiot lamp", can be used as a direct substitute for the diode, if an indicator light is desired.

Even better (but not NECESSARY for simple tractor or older vehicle setups) is to connect the #2 terminal to a point as close to the (+) battery terminal (remote voltage sensing).

You can read about that on the MAD electrical site linked below. There's a number of good articles there on 3-wire alternators and remote voltage sensing.

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Boyde from Brampton

11-27-2006 10:33:58




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 Re: Alternator - one wire to three wire in reply to Bob, 11-27-2006 08:10:16  
Is it just a matter of connecting an exciter wire and a sensor wire to terminal 1 and 2 respectively? Nothing needs to change inside?

Boyde



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nonac99

11-27-2006 17:32:51




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 Re: Alternator - one wire to three wire in reply to Boyde from Brampton, 11-27-2006 10:33:58  
I agree that the best option is to trade your unit in on a three wire. If that is not an option then an electrical shop can put a new regulator in for you. I have replaced the internal parts and find that the hardest part is getting the brushes back in. You can use tooth picks to hold the brushes in place during assembly if the unit has holes through the brush holders. Some have holes and some don't but can be drilled if not. Wish you were close by so I could help you out.
By the way, I installed a 30 Amp 10SI from a 1976 Chevrolet Elcamino.

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Dell (WA)

11-27-2006 14:15:24




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 Re: Alternator - one wire to three wire in reply to Boyde from Brampton, 11-27-2006 10:33:58  
Boyde..... ..NO, it is NOT that simple. The NON-DESIRABLE 1-wire alternator has a special REPLACEMENT internal voltage regulator printed circuit that does "tricks" with secret solid state amplifiers. Take yer 1-wire back (trade-in) to enny autoparts store and gitta 3-wire alternator for a 1967 Chevy pickup. Delco 10-SI. $20 (cheap) instead of fuxxin'round with sumptin you don't understand..... ..respectfully, Dell a 12-volt advocate for the right reasons

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Bob

11-27-2006 14:25:20




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 Dell... in reply to Dell (WA), 11-27-2006 14:15:24  
As I stated in my reply, SOME so-called one wire units will behave just fine wired up as three-wire setups.

I certainly agree, though, he is better off exchanging his new "one-wire" alternator for a standard "3-wire" unit, rather than messing around with what he has, and risking problems.

HOWEVER, you made a typo recommending a 1967 alternator. The desirable internally-regulated units didn't come into common use on the GM vehicles until 1972 or 1973.

A 1967 10DN alternator would NOT have an internal regulator.

I always tell folks to get an alternator for a 1985 Chevy pickup without AC.

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Delco 10DN (NO internal regulator)

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Delco 10SI (HAS internal regulator.)

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uh . . . Dell (WA)

11-27-2006 17:07:54




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 Re: Dell... in reply to Bob, 11-27-2006 14:25:20  
Bob..... ..yer right, I'm WRONG about the year of the 10-SI alternator. I think I'm having an attack of CRS..... ..Dell



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Randyr

12-14-2006 19:03:39




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 Re: Dell... in reply to uh . . . Dell (WA), 11-27-2006 17:07:54  
Maybe you got the number backwards and meant 76 instead of 67! or maybe 77.



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