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Excessive oil pressure on rebuilt TO-30

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Darren in TN

09-23-2006 07:49:49




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Hey, y"all.
I just finished a rebuild on my TO-30 and when I run it for a few seconds it pegs the oil pressure gauge needle past 100psi. The only thing I can think of is that the pressure relief valve in the oil pump was really sticky when I rebuilt the pump and maybe I didn"t clean it well enough. Are there any other things I need to look at or any tests you guys would recommend?

Thanks for all the help,
Darren

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Darren in TN

09-23-2006 18:23:39




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 Got it! in reply to Darren in TN, 09-23-2006 07:49:49  

Gerald and J,
Thanks for the help. It turned out to be a stuck relief valve. Also, I am getting oil to the rockers after all, I just expected a flood when apparently a trickle is all that's needed. I appreciate y'all taking the time to offer advice.



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Gerald J.

09-23-2006 15:47:21




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 Re: Excessive oil pressure on rebuilt TO-30 in reply to Darren in TN, 09-23-2006 07:49:49  
My MF-135 plugged up the oil passage to the rocker arms. It didn't raise the oil pressure on the gauge. Any excess pressure should be relieved by the pressure relief/regulator.

If that piston is stuck it will run the pressure up.

A steel rifle brush may be a bit rough for that cylinder bore but a fiber brush won't hurt. It might benefit from a few turns of a brake cylinder hone if you can find on small enough to fit. Find a wood dowel that is a tiny bit smaller than the bore. Cut a saw slot in the end of the dowel and slip in a piece of wet or dry paper. Adjust the size by how much sticks out and over laps. That will lap the bore smooth when turned.

The oil passage to the rocker arms surfaces under the rear pedestal. It wanders around the back of the head and you can't poke a wire through it. Be sure the pin of the rocker arm is in the notch or it will cut off flow to the rocker arm shaft. Be sure the corks are new or they will release the oil from oiling the rockers. I opened up that passage on my MF-135 (though its beginning to sound a bit dry again) by makeing a block with a 1/8" pipe thread aligned with the oil hole. Then I bolted it down in place of the rocker post and put in a shrader valve so I could apply air pressure with a tire chuck and not get all the air pressure to the passage. It took soaking with a good penetrating oil (Kroil) and blowing to get air down that hole.

Gerald J.

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jmixigo

09-23-2006 14:36:08




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 Re: Excessive oil pressure on rebuilt TO-30 in reply to Darren in TN, 09-23-2006 07:49:49  
OK ! Yer gettin oil circulation (a good thang), Did you have the cam bearings done? oil to the rockers is a clue.Some times when cam bearins is installed they ferget to drill the oil holes in em. If I remember right oil to the rockers on these is supplied thru the rocker stand. jus remove the rocker stands and check all you can before pullin the head. and keep in mind errors now can be expensive plus the money you save is your's.

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jmixigo

09-23-2006 14:40:04




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 Re: Excessive oil pressure on rebuilt TO-30 in reply to jmixigo, 09-23-2006 14:36:08  
when (if) you get the head off take a light an look down the oil passage try to tell whwther you lookin at the cam journal or the backside of a bearing.
When you had the pan off last time how did the relief valve look?



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Darren in TN

09-23-2006 15:36:03




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 Re: Excessive oil pressure on rebuilt TO-30 in reply to jmixigo, 09-23-2006 14:40:04  

J,
Thanks for the help so far. This engine (Continental Z-129) doesn't use cam bearings. It uses the surfaces machined into the block. I can't think of anything between the pump and head that would be stopping flow except the headgasket or a blockage like you suggested.

I've got the pan off right now and I have the cotter pin out of the oil pump relief valve. The little cap on the outside of the spring is being ornery, so I haven't gotten the spring and plunger out yet. I've been debating trying to clean that bore with a rifle bore brush chucked into a drill.

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jmixigo

09-23-2006 19:40:34




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 Re: Excessive oil pressure on rebuilt TO-30 in reply to Darren in TN, 09-23-2006 15:36:03  
I am amazed that old conti could make that much pressure in a running engine. Yeah the cam runs right in the block originally, but many folks have the cam bores opened up and press in automotive type cam bearings. Personally I prefer to run em in the bare block unless it's wore slam out.
Glad you let us know how it worked out.



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Darren in TN

09-23-2006 12:23:33




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 Re: Excessive oil pressure on rebuilt TO-30 in reply to Darren in TN, 09-23-2006 07:49:49  

Alright, made a little progress.

I DO have oil flow at the filter and gauge port, but none at the rocker arm. I turned it over with the starter to get about 20psi for a few seconds and I'm not seeing any oil around the rocker arm.

My diagram isn't very clear-- does the gauge port branch off of the bypass with the filter, or is that a separate port off of rear crank journal? I'm guessing it comes off of the bypass.

So, I'm thinking about pulling the head and making sure all the passages are cut in the headgasket and that they line up, then check that i'm getting oil flow from the block to the head. Anybody got a better idea? I wouldn't mind not pulling the head if i can help it.

Thanks, D

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Darren in TN

09-23-2006 11:18:21




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 Re: Excessive oil pressure on rebuilt TO-30 in reply to Darren in TN, 09-23-2006 07:49:49  

Doh! That's not what I wanted to hear. I'm certain the bearings are turned the correct direction because I'm really careful about that. I DO have oil flow to the filter and to the gauge port, I've checked both of those. The filter, all gaskets, oil pump gears, bearings, etc. are all new. The crank was ground .020 under (if I remember correctly) with matching oversized bearings. The headgasket lined up with all the passages in the block and head as best I could tell. Y'all keep the suggestions coming and I'll update as I get into and check things out. Thanks again, Darren

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jmixigo

09-23-2006 09:53:09




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 Re: Excessive oil pressure on rebuilt TO-30 in reply to Darren in TN, 09-23-2006 07:49:49  
At a true 100 psi I don't think it's yore relief valve. When that engine was assembled some body done a boo boo. Could be lots a thangs, but I'm betting on an oil passage blocked near the oil pump. Like a main bearing shell reversed where the side with the hole is in the cap and the other side is blocking the main oil passage. Maybe undrilled cam bearings, but I'm bettin on the main bearings blocking oil flow.

DON'T RUN IT--NONE--NOT AT ALL--PERIOD

Untill you get this fixed.
The openings through the engine will not allow 100 psi with the stock pump unless there is a MAJOR blockage some where.

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Darren in TN

09-23-2006 13:55:28




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 Re: Excessive oil pressure on rebuilt TO-30 in reply to jmixigo, 09-23-2006 09:53:09  

Ok-- 3rd update. I drained the oil, pulled the pan, and pulled one of the rod bearing caps. The oil in the pan was dark with assembly lube and oil (not assembly lube) poured out of the crank when I pulled the cap off. There was no assembly lube left in the cap, so it appears that the crank is getting oil, too. Next up, I'll pull the head and see what I may have missed in installing the headgasket.

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