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Brakes on MF-135

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Burt-CA

05-27-2006 06:37:27




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Hi

I have a MF-50 and MF135 On the MF-50 there are
good brakes I can stop on a dime. On the 135 I have
to stand on the pedals (200 lbs) to have very little
brake effect. The drums are dry no oil and pads are near new no wear. I read in some posts for TE-20 that if the springs are installed wrong place the brakes will not operate properly. Is it same for the 135 ?.

Thanks in advance

Burt-CA

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MF Poor

05-29-2006 14:32:31




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 Re: Brakes on MF-135 in reply to Burt-CA, 05-27-2006 06:37:27  
Sounds like everyone gave you good solid info already, but I've got one more thing to add.

This might not even apply to your situation, but here it is anyway.

I've got a pair of almost identical 135's sitting in my shop. They belong to a father and son who live nearby. They bring both of them to me when they need service. I don't get enough torture working on my own stuff apparently. One has the original brake shoes on it. They're old asbestos linings from the early 70's. The other has (cheap) aftermarket shoes that I had the pleasure of installing last year. The old shoes will still lock a wheel in a turn with not much more than the eight of a foot. The one with the new shoes takes all of my 245 lbs to lock a wheel in my gravel driveway. It's here for another set of shoes. (other one needs new water pump)

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John (UK)

05-29-2006 18:15:28




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 Re: Brakes on MF-135 in reply to MF Poor, 05-29-2006 14:32:31  
Well that tells you something I think, don't you?....John



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MF Poor

05-30-2006 18:53:56




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 Re: Brakes on MF-135 in reply to John (UK), 05-29-2006 18:15:28  
Tells me to stick with OLD parts whenever possible.

They don't make 'em like they used to. They never did.



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gerard

05-27-2006 14:37:43




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 Re: Brakes on MF-135 in reply to Burt-CA, 05-27-2006 06:37:27  
Our 135 had the same problem from new. If towing a trailer, one had to stand & pull up on the steering wheel to get sufficient weight on the brakes. Even then, it was marginal. Dealer corected this some years ago, and ever since you can lock the wheels with only medium effort. Apparently a change of brake lining was required, and, if I recall correctly, the brake rod was moved to the lower hole on the arm at axle end - anyway, that"s where it is now - giving maximum leverage.

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John (UK)

05-27-2006 12:04:03




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 Re: Brakes on MF-135 in reply to Burt-CA, 05-27-2006 06:37:27  
Yes it is, actually they are the same braking system. Disconnect the brake rods at the front end and pull them to take out any play and adjust the clevis on the end of the rod so that you can refit the pin easily when they are being pulled. The spring with the two hooks fits next to the adjuster.



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Burt-CA

05-27-2006 18:30:02




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 Re: Brakes on MF-135 in reply to John (UK), 05-27-2006 12:04:03  
John...

I looked closer...on the MF-50 there are no return
spring at le lever end near the axle....
On the MF-135 there is a return spring that pull
the rod to return pedals in up position.

After closer look it takes considerable pressure on the pedals just to fight return springs instead of putting all pressure on the brake actuators.

The previous owner may had changed something.
I checked in my two different service manuals and no return springs are listed or illustrated.

I will try to disconnect the return springs and safely try the brakes.

What do you think ?

Thanks for reading !

Bert-CA

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gerard

05-28-2006 06:25:27




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 Re: Brakes on MF-135 in reply to Burt-CA, 05-27-2006 18:30:02  
There are no return springs on mine, but it could do with some - the brake pedals often needs lifting as they"re hanging on the shoes. Would have to be a mighty spring to make any difference to the braking effort - something in excess of a valve spring, so I very much doubt that"s your problem. Are your brake rods attached to lower of the two holes at axle end? Do you have the modified shoes fitted?

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John (UK)

05-28-2006 06:20:55




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 Re: Brakes on MF-135 in reply to Burt-CA, 05-27-2006 18:30:02  
By all means try it without the springs, but really it should work ok with them on. Gerard's suggestion about the brake linings could be nearer the mark, have you checked yours for being hard and shiny or hard with a glass like finish, if they are like this then they need changing for something softer that will give some grip. If your tractor does have two holes in the lever on the cross-shaft along the rear axle into the brakes, do make sure the brake rod is attached in the bottom hole, not all the tractors have this. The return springs are there to pull the pedals up so they wont rest on the brake linkage, they are quite heavy and they would apply the brakes slightly causing wear to the brake shoes and drum and at the same time they would generate heat and this may cause the brakes to fade if there is enough heat.

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Burt-CA

05-27-2006 17:33:12




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 Re: Brakes on MF-135 in reply to John (UK), 05-27-2006 12:04:03  
Thanks to all for the replies

I will look as per you suggestions....

Burt-CA



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