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51 TO-30 Starting Problems

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Will B

05-23-2006 06:25:15




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I feel so lost! I was having problems getting my TO-30 to start and I found that it was my fuel flow. I replaced the sediment catch with a new unit, removed and cleaned my gas tank (found and old bottle cap in it!), put new fuel lines, and cleaned the carburetor. Now the gas flows wonderfully and it was running great for a little while. When I was brush hogging it started to die. It was acting like it was overheating. It would run and then almost die, then come back then almost die, and then it died. I let her sit for a while and came back to see if she starts. I can get her to start with the choke, but she dies right after. My friend said that I should check my points. So I checked my points with a feeler gage, and they looked all right to me. What is going on? I have read many posts about similar problems. How do I know if it is electrical? Could I need to service the carburetor (rebuild or new one)? Please help I am so frustrated.

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Gene in La.

05-23-2006 23:21:57




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 Re: 51 TO-30 Starting Problems in reply to Will B, 05-23-2006 06:25:15  
I have the same problem with my to20: I've found that my plugs foul out real quick under heavy loads like bush hogging, (needs new rings!!!} (but I'm sure you have checked that) and I also keep an extra set of plugs on the tractor for that reason. I also found out that the extra set won't last (Autolite 386) as long as the Champs D15. I'm going to try and find some "oil file" adepters if they still make them, then get me another set of Champs, for my backup set.
Well thats my 2 cents!
Gene in La.

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phil(va)

05-26-2006 13:18:10




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 Re: 51 TO-30 Starting Problems in reply to Gene in La., 05-23-2006 23:21:57  
Jerry and others have given Will some good advice. As for a plug for you to try, maybe you should try Autolite 3116 plugs.



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Jerry/MT

05-23-2006 09:37:14




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 Re: 51 TO-30 Starting Problems in reply to Will B, 05-23-2006 06:25:15  
Lets try to find out what the real problem is by a process of elimination. I'm presuming you have a 6 volt system. They have to be "right on the money" to have the engine run right.
First, check to make sure that your ignition system is up to snuff. Pull the high tension wire out of the center of the distributor cap, hold it near a good ground, turn the key on and try to start. (Alternately, you can pull a wire off a spark plug, put a paper clip or a bent piece of wire in the bootand do the same test.)If you get a fat bluish spark, your points, coil, and primary wiring are OK. If you get a thin yellowish or orangey spark, there is most likely a problem in the primary igniton system (points, coil, bad connection, bad condensor, bad key switch, etc). If you get a good spark with a cold engine, operate the tractor till it runs ratty and reconduct the spark test. Some time an overheated coil or a bad condensor or a bad key switch will run for a while and then act up.While you have it running, check the ignition timing and the advance mechanism.
If your ignition system checks out under both of the above tests, then check the fuel system. You've all ready checked the fuel delivery system and fixed that problem. Did you check to make sure that the fuel is delivered to the carburetor by opening the tank valve, holding a container under the carb and removing the drain plug? The gas should flow CONTINUOUSLY, "like a cow peein' on a flat rock", for at least 30 seconds. If it doesn't then either the "secret filter" in the carb fuel elbow is clogged or the float valve is restricted. Also check to make sure the vent hole in the gas cap on the tank is not plugged. That can restrict the fuel flow after a period of operation by causing a vacuum to occur in the fuel tank. If all this checks out. Then start the engine and let it warm up and using ether or an unlit proprane torch, VERY CAREFULLY, squirt the ether around the carb throttle shaft, the carb to intake manifold connection, and around the intake to head connection points while the engine is idling. If the engine speeds up, then you have an air leak around the carb metering section that's leaning out the mixture. Than can cause overheating and can cause your valves to burn eventually. You need to address that problem by eleiminating the leak.
You said you had a problem that seemed like overheating while brush hogging. Make sure that your radiator is free of chaff. That can cause you to overheat. Also check to make sure that your power jet adjustment (the big screw on the fuel bowl at the front of the carb) is NO LESS than one turn out from full closed on the carb. That can also cause a lean condition that can contribute to overheating. Conduct all these checks, wite down the results on in a note bok or on piece of paper and then sit down and evaluate the situation. If yo ignition system checks out, the fuel delivery checks out, you have no air leaks down stream of the carb metering system, then a rebuild of the carb is in order. The Marvel-Schebler carb is about as simple of a carb as you can find, but dirt is the biggest enemy of any carburetor and you had a dirty fuel tank so it's possible that you carb is dirty. (There can be so much fine silt in the fuel bowl that the float won't drop and the engine can run at low power but not at high power because the fuel bowl can't fill.)there is an excellent aricle in the Research & Info Section (under Articles) to the left about rebuilding an M-S carb that's an excellent resource.
If you need help or have any questions get back here. ALso come back and tell us what you found. We all learn fom solving these problems. And don't get frustrated (easier said, then done!). You're not working on the Space Shuttle! By methodically going through each engine system and eliminating possible causes, you can find and solve the problem.
Hope this helps you.

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George in MI

05-23-2006 07:31:13




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  TO-30 Starting Problems...been t here too in reply to Will B, 05-23-2006 06:25:15  
I had a very similar problem with my TO-20. It sounds a lot more like a fuel problem than an electrical one to me.

I did try and clean my carb but this was unsuccessful. I don't think soaking the carb will help either if the problem is some non-soluble piece of crud that has blocked on of the jets. Since you know there was crud in the tank etc, I think it very likely that a small piece of debris has lodged itself in one of the passages or jets that supplies fuel.

When you clean out the carb however, you should try and make sure all the intermal passages are free. I used a squirt bottle with some carb cleaner in it and pushed the nozzle into the opening and squeezed the fluid in. Some people using fishing line to push down into the passages (but do not use wire as it can damage things). In my case, the fluid shot out of the bottom of the passages freely. But this did not solve my problem. Anyway, unscrew those brass jets and give it a try.

I ended up buying a new carb from this site (approx $200) and that solved the problem. All the other options, like a manifold lead, or an electrical problem don't seem very consistent with the facts in your case...like the choke helping etc.

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