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Jim F - OH

03-09-2006 15:58:16




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This past Fall I purchased my first tractor.Ferguson TO20 I love it! Other than some charging issue she seems to be all there.I have been watching these discussions for some time and learning a lot about Fergusons.My question is I would like to use Her to mow my 3 three acres and I have a line on a 72" landpride mower,would this be a little to much mower for Little Miss Fergy?Thanks Jim.




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Jim F - OH

03-11-2006 04:53:56




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 Re: I THINK I CAN I THINK I CAN in reply to Jim F - OH, 03-09-2006 15:58:16  
Thanks everyone for your replies.Think I will check into this finish mower a bit further.I think this mower will work for what i want as my land is flat and the mower rides on four casters.I will be sure to get a ORC Thanks again.



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to30

03-10-2006 17:45:18




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 Re: I THINK I CAN I THINK I CAN in reply to Jim F - OH, 03-09-2006 15:58:16  
Guys it dont take that much power for a 72 in mower I have a Cub with on on it, I also mow with a To 30 without a over run clutch you just need to be careful,and some time the tack shows a little more than 540 rpms it dont run out of power



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Griz

03-10-2006 05:43:22




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 Re: I THINK I CAN I THINK I CAN in reply to Jim F - OH, 03-09-2006 15:58:16  
Jim-F
I to bought my first To-20 last year. It came with a bushhog. Bushhogs suck for finish mowing. Bought a used 5ft finish mower. It was OK. Later in the season I bought a new Woods Rd72 finish mower. It is great.
This is what I have learned. Get the overrun clutch. Without it you can add about ten to a stop. A 5ft mower runs about even with the outside of the rear wheels. So anything the wheels clear the mower will clear also. There is a problem. The front and rear wheels smash the grass flat before the mower has a chance to cut. On the left, the blade moves in the same direction that the grass has been smashed. Doesn't cut worth spit. Uncut grass stands back up in a day or two.
A 6ft mower sits outside the rear wheels. So you have to be careful not to hit anything. If you mow with your front wheel next to the track of the last pass you will a good overlap. Also you are cutting the smashed grass with more of a side cut from the leading and trailing edge of the blade. In my case the 6ft mower gives a much nicer cut.
Don't worry about weights. When you're mowing the mower supports it's own weight on the casters. The tactor just drags the thing around.
Get a set of stabilizer bars. They keep the mower lined up behind the tractor. Without them the mower might run a foot or two to one side.
If your Fergy is in decent shape you should have no trouble with a 6ft mower. I usually run in 3rd gear. If the grass is particularly high, 2nd works fine. With either a 5ft or 6ft you can always take a narrower cut and a lower gear; but if you have a 5ft mower that is all wider you can ever cut.
My 5ft is a side discharge and the 6ft is a rear discharge. Get a rear discharge. 'nuff said about discharges.
My 2cents
Griz

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gshadel

03-10-2006 04:24:40




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 Re: I THINK I CAN I THINK I CAN in reply to Jim F - OH, 03-09-2006 15:58:16  
Jim, I've heard several guys that run 6 footers behind N's with no problem. I've never run finish mowers, but have run reel mowers and B Hogs with my -20. My thought is the 6 footer would probably be OK as long as your only cutting a couple inches of grass at a time. Probably have to cut in 1st gear.

George



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Gregg/Ohio

03-09-2006 19:14:34




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 Re: I THINK I CAN I THINK I CAN in reply to Jim F - OH, 03-09-2006 15:58:16  
I have a 1959 TO-35 Special thats run real well with a 6 foot woods brand finnish mower,My next store neighbor has same on a 1953 TO-30 and (seems) to be a little underpowered when grass is thick. I think a 6 footer on a TO-20 is not the best setup. My TO-35 was just a devil to use (I have a deep creek by yard)until I installed a ORC on output shaft,It's a must!!



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Jerry/MT

03-09-2006 16:52:07




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 Re: I THINK I CAN I THINK I CAN in reply to Jim F - OH, 03-09-2006 15:58:16  
The biggest problem with a 6 ft mower on the TO-20 is the weight. They tend to be relatively heavy and make steering a little iffy. You can ballst the fron tires or put some weights up front and reduce the tendency for this. Power wise, as long as you're not trying to cut a full swath of six foot high grass you should be all right. If the grass is too high you can cut a partial swath. Make sure that you have an ORC on the PTO for safety's sake. The PTO drives through the transmision so when you try to stop, the rotational inertia of the rotary cutter will keep driving the tractor even with the clutch depressed if you don't have an ORC.

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Bob Weeks

03-09-2006 17:15:43




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 Re: I THINK I CAN I THINK I CAN in reply to Jerry/MT, 03-09-2006 16:52:07  
I have owned a TO20 for 35 years and had a few interesting experiences with the mowers keeping the tractor moving after the clutch was depressed. What is an ORC and why didn't I know about it sooner? I'm planning to pass the TO20 on to my son because I found a 1955 TO35 Deluxe with live power and some other goodies that make an ORC unnecessary. My son will very likely want that attachment.



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Jerry/MT

03-10-2006 13:45:19




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 Re: I THINK I CAN I THINK I CAN in reply to Bob Weeks, 03-09-2006 17:15:43  
Can't answer your question about why you didn't know about it because it has been discussed ad nauseum on this and the 8N forums and elseware. The Ford 2N, 8N, 9N and the TO Series Fergusons all utilize similar transmission driven PTO's and they all have the same problem. The ORC is a device that transmits PTO torque to the driven implement and does not allow the rotational inertia of the driven implement supply torque to the PTO. It's kinda'like a "torque check valve". When the implement is supply torque, the ORC(I think it's called a sprag clutch) internally disengages itself from the PTO.

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Barry from Stirling

03-09-2006 17:55:16




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 Re: I THINK I CAN I THINK I CAN in reply to Bob Weeks, 03-09-2006 17:15:43  
Hi Bob
An ORC is what they call an Over Riding Coupler, It goes right onto your PTO Shaft and has an implement hook-up on it. When you put the ORC on you then hook up your mower just like you would normally. When you stop mowing, the ORC acts like a ratchet, the PTO stops turning, but the ORC keeps going until it stops. This way you dont get shoved into the corner of the fence. Here in my neck of the woods they cost $85 Can,, good luck ,, Barry

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